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re: Herb Tyler versus JJ, who would you rather have?
Posted on 5/16/11 at 9:06 pm to Hitchcock
Posted on 5/16/11 at 9:06 pm to Hitchcock
Randall and JJ would be a much closer comparison. Herb was a cut above both. He took over as a true freshman. And he took a struggling team and made them better with his play. JJ has hurt more than helped. Without Jarret to bail the team out, the Tigers would have lost another 2 to 3 games.
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Posted on 5/16/11 at 9:06 pm to MOT
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I'm not sure how people can say Jefferson is more athletic. He is bigger and stronger and may even have better straight line speed, but is isn't like Tyler was some stiff back there
Definitely bigger and faster but since he is lost on the field he is not as effective. LSU fans can only wish he could cut and run like Tyler.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 9:07 pm to Rudy40
quote:Didn't Tyler run a 4.5 40 time? Jefferson coming out of high school ran a 4.6 40 time, not sure what his current time would be
Definitely bigger and faster
Posted on 5/16/11 at 9:10 pm to tduecen
You may be right I would say Jefferson appears to have better straight line speed but it may be because Herb looked so effortless running. Either way Herb was so much more effective running and his decision making on when to run was infinitely better. Not just taking off and running if the first option is covered ala JJ.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 9:15 pm to Rudy40
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Still his career efficiency rating is higher than Jefferson's. Wouldnt be surprised if it is still higher after this year.
..and Bama & Auburn bith kicked the PFunk outta of LSU 0-31 & 7-31 in 2002.
LSU-Marcus Randall 6-17-0-39...against Bama
LSU-Marcus Randall 9-20-4-79..against Auburn
Posted on 5/16/11 at 9:30 pm to Rudy40
Another thing to consider....
Could you picture Tyler being effective running the same offense Jefferson has been running? I say yes.
Could you picture Jefferson being effective running the offense Tyler ran? I say no.
Could you picture Tyler being effective running the same offense Jefferson has been running? I say yes.
Could you picture Jefferson being effective running the offense Tyler ran? I say no.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 9:34 pm to Rudy40
Rudy40, You were the first one to bring up Herb's better running ability or knowing how to run the option and I agree.
Should have used this as your example
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The linebacker respects Herb on this play and that is exactly why he scores.
Herb knew how to pitch the ball. JJ not so much.
Should have used this as your example
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The linebacker respects Herb on this play and that is exactly why he scores.
Herb knew how to pitch the ball. JJ not so much.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 9:35 pm to MOT
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Could you picture Tyler being effective running the same offense Jefferson has been running? I say yes.
Could you picture Jefferson being effective running the offense Tyler ran? I say no.
Receivers still gotta catch the ball in either one.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 9:46 pm to Hitchcock
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Receivers still gotta catch the ball in either one.
Ofcourse this assumes all factors outside their control are equal.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 9:58 pm to MOT
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Ofcourse this assumes all factors outside their control are equal.
You mean like having Faneca & Williams blocking for him, with Faulk, Collins & Mealey in the backfield?
Posted on 5/16/11 at 10:02 pm to Hitchcock
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You mean like having Faneca & Williams blocking for him, with Faulk, Collins & Mealey in the backfield?
First of all its not like all three of them were on the field at same time very much especially if you consider Collins partial season.
Also have to consider Herb not consistently throwing behind and at the feet of the Wr's,
Posted on 5/16/11 at 10:07 pm to Rudy40
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First of all its not like all three of them were on the field at same time very much especially if you consider Collins partial season.
Oh forgot Tommy Banks too..sorry
quote:No, he was short, so his passes tended to sail high on him.
Also have to consider Herb not consistently throwing behind and at the feet of the Wr's,
Posted on 5/16/11 at 10:07 pm to Hitchcock
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You mean like having Faneca & Williams blocking for him, with Faulk, Collins & Mealey in the backfield?
Yes, all things being equal. Like having Lafell and Randle to throw to instead of Foster and Booty. It isn't a difficult concept. I don't think anyone is picking Tyler because Collins played 3 games during one of his seasons.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 10:10 pm to LSU9102
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The linebacker respects Herb on this play and that is exactly why he scores.
Herb knew how to pitch the ball. JJ not so much.
Who Herb might have pitched it to had a lot to do with that respect also.
I'd take Herb over JJ but Herb gets a lot of respect on this site because all people seem to remember is the Florida game. He was a limited passer just like JJ but he had great RBs behind him and playcalling was tailored to his strengths much better than what Crowton did for JJ.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 10:13 pm to MOT
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Like having Lafell and Randle to throw to instead of Foster and Booty. It isn't a difficult concept
You missed the Kevin Faulk years didn't you? He made All-American "All-Purpose" Back. Why?
Posted on 5/16/11 at 10:32 pm to Hitchcock
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You missed the Kevin Faulk years didn't you?
No, I remember them quite well which is why I would take Tyler over Jefferson.
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He made All-American "All-Purpose" Back. Why?
Because of what he did in the return game more so than his 53 catches in four seasons.
Edit: The year he was a First Team AA as an "All Purpose" player he had 10 catches for 134 yards. But you probably knew that.
This post was edited on 5/16/11 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 5/16/11 at 10:34 pm to Hitchcock
You act like Lafell, Randle, Toliver at WR and Ridley and Scott at RB is a lack of talent
Posted on 5/16/11 at 10:38 pm to MOT
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You missed the Kevin Faulk years didn't you?
No, I remember them quite well which is why I would take Tyler over Jefferson.
No you don't.
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1998 Third-Team All-American (The Football News)
1998 First-Team All-SEC (Coaches, AP, The Football News)
1998 Playboy Magazine Preseason All-America Team
1997 Third-Team All-American (AP)
1997 First-Team All-SEC (Coaches, AP, The Football News)
National Player of the Week by CNNSI (1997 vs. Kentucky)
1997 Playboy Magazine Preseason All-America Team
1996 First-Team All-American (AP)
1996 First-Team All-SEC (Coaches, AP, The Football News)
1995 SEC Freshman Offensive Player of the Year
1995 Knoxville News-Sentinel Freshman All-SEC Team
1995 Independence Bowl Offensive MVP
Posted on 5/16/11 at 10:41 pm to south bama tiger
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You act like Lafell, Randle, Toliver at WR and Ridley and Scott at RB is a lack of talent
Not at all. Lafell is one of my favorite LSU WRs this decade. Randle has huge potential. Scott was a 1,000 yard rusher & !st team All-SEC.
Posted on 5/16/11 at 10:42 pm to Hitchcock
What does any of that have to do with Jefferson and Tyler?
And you can go ahead and respond to your All Purpose failure whenever you're ready.
And you can go ahead and respond to your All Purpose failure whenever you're ready.
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