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re: Has JJ Progressed This Season As He Should Have
Posted on 11/29/09 at 8:53 pm to HoumaTigerFan
Posted on 11/29/09 at 8:53 pm to HoumaTigerFan
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You're looking at simply an extra 42 yds/game. I believe that is do-able.
It probably is but at the same time you gotta assume he will have a better running game and that will take away some pass attempts AND he is losing (arguably) his best WR and a pretty decent TE.
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The yds/game rushing will likely decrease though as he replaces that with more passing.
HIS rushing yards will likely decrease but if we run the ball better I would imagine he won't be passing as much.
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Posted on 11/29/09 at 8:54 pm to Green Ram 2
he may have the physical skills but until he progresses with the mental decisions, he'll be average at best.
The mental part of playing QB is more important than the physical skills.
The mental part of playing QB is more important than the physical skills.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 8:56 pm to DP40
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JJ would rank where among LSU QB's in your opinion?
That is an excellent question worthy of some discussion.
Recently - beginning Saban Era:
1. Jamarcus Russel
2. Rohan Davey
3. Matt Flynn
4. Ryan Perilloux (good behavior and he ascends to the top; never really got to play)
5. Matt Mauck
6. Jordan Jefferson
7. Marcus Randle
8. Craig Nall (never much opportunity to play, he was wasted and transferred)
9. Josh Booty (too much talent and no people skills)
10. General Lee
Who did I forget?
Posted on 11/29/09 at 8:57 pm to Green Ram 2
dont forget the arky quarter back is also a sophemore quarterback and look at his record,its time we get a passing or running quarterback and one that can think fast
Posted on 11/29/09 at 8:57 pm to HoumaTigerFan
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Who did I forget?
Hatch. I'll go ahead and pencil him in at 11
Posted on 11/29/09 at 8:58 pm to oldfan
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dont forget the arky quarter back is also a sophemore quarterback and look at his record,its time we get a passing or running quarterback and one that can think fast
RS soph but yeah he is young.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 8:58 pm to Srbtiger06
Haha...he had heart!
Good for Hatch to even be on the list.
Good for Hatch to even be on the list.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 9:00 pm to Srbtiger06
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HIS rushing yards will likely decrease but if we run the ball better I would imagine he won't be passing as much.
Excellent point. I like your reasoning. He very well could have decreased stats and more production overall on offense. With Ford and Ridley rolling, we could get on track.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 9:02 pm to DP40
I think he can be the best. I'm extrapolating but it's my opinion. Tailor made for college fb.
Lets look at Flynn's Senior year stats 2007.
202 completions
359 attempts
2407 yards
56.3% completion
6.71yards per attempt
21 tds
11 ints
26 sacks
125.76 qb rating
did we have the prolific running game of 2007 in 2009? Did we have the dominating line play (both sides) of 2007 in 2009? NO
That's the difference. We're in every game this year. Bama, Florida, Ole Miss.
Does coaching matter? sure it does. Alabama is 24 and 0 in the regular season with JPW and McElroy. JJ is better and more talented than both right now.
I like the prospects of seeing Jefferson in his junior and senior years.
Lets look at Flynn's Senior year stats 2007.
202 completions
359 attempts
2407 yards
56.3% completion
6.71yards per attempt
21 tds
11 ints
26 sacks
125.76 qb rating
did we have the prolific running game of 2007 in 2009? Did we have the dominating line play (both sides) of 2007 in 2009? NO
That's the difference. We're in every game this year. Bama, Florida, Ole Miss.
Does coaching matter? sure it does. Alabama is 24 and 0 in the regular season with JPW and McElroy. JJ is better and more talented than both right now.
I like the prospects of seeing Jefferson in his junior and senior years.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 9:02 pm to HoumaTigerFan
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Excellent point. I like your reasoning. He very well could have decreased stats and more production overall on offense. With Ford and Ridley rolling, we could get on track.
Exactly. Ridley reminds me of Addai for some reason.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 9:03 pm to Srbtiger06
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dont forget the arky quarter back is also a sophemore quarterback and look at his record,its time we get a passing or running quarterback and one that can think fast
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Yeah, but look at his record? Arkansas took us to the hilt, but they are 7-5.
I would love to have their problems on offense though. He's a gamer and has some serious talent. However, it is funny that JJ excels where he is not so hot. Get him out of the pocket and he's mediocre at best. However, Mallet has more upside than we can even imagine.
dont forget the arky quarter back is also a sophemore quarterback and look at his record,its time we get a passing or running quarterback and one that can think fast
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RS soph but yeah he is young.
Yeah, but look at his record? Arkansas took us to the hilt, but they are 7-5.
I would love to have their problems on offense though. He's a gamer and has some serious talent. However, it is funny that JJ excels where he is not so hot. Get him out of the pocket and he's mediocre at best. However, Mallet has more upside than we can even imagine.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 9:04 pm to HoumaTigerFan
Davey was a better QB than Russell...he was just lazier than Russell...and thats saying something.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 9:04 pm to tiger2012
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I like the prospects of seeing Jefferson in his junior and senior years.
You are looking at mere stats and not what happens on the field. Wide open receivers, too long in the pocket, mistimed sacks, not throwing the ball away. I would take a few INT's on JJ's part in exchance for some of the other skills, that don't show up on a stat sheet.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 9:07 pm to Davbrucas
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Davey was a better QB than Russell...he was just lazier than Russell...and thats saying something.
There is some good humor in there though. I guess the key there is that Jamarcus has the physical tools that Rohan did not. JR was not lazy while at LSU. He got his megamint and then slid. How about Rohan? Was he lazy at LSU?
Rohan was an excellent college QB. I think I would prefer to have him in a big game than JR. Now you have me thinking....
Posted on 11/29/09 at 9:10 pm to HoumaTigerFan
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Rohan was an excellent college QB. I think I would prefer to have him in a big game than JR. Now you have me thinking....
Tough one but I'd prolly go JR. ASU, Ole Miss 2006, UT 2006, Bama 05...he led some drives.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 9:19 pm to Srbtiger06
I don't like the way when he comes off the field he is by himself. He seems to be the type of guy that should have a QB coach, who has by this point in the season has become his confidant and friend, come over and talk to him, discuss the situation, ease his mind and just chat with him, get him calm and keep him on a level keel. He is a young QB and he needs this. But what happens is he comes off the field and they pan the camera over on him and you can see him standing there by himself and you can see the stress on his face.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 9:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You are looking at mere stats and not what happens on the field.
Roger, it takes some extrapolation. Is his indecisiveness (holding the ball, taking sacks) related to lack of intelligence, lack of confidence, coaching, or inexperience?
I believe he's coached to err on side the of caution and that his slow on the field processing is due to lack of experience. He was a project for this coaching staff.
I remember Rohan when he was young throwing 2 picks early in the Auburn game. I saw Flynn in Iowa bowl game. I remember the up and downs of Russell's career up until the Tennessee game in 2006.
do you think JJ in his 1st game next year is going to play this deliberate and passive? I can't see it. I expect to see a kid brimming with confidence with a year experience under his belt.
He'll be more comfortable and the coaches will be comfortable.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 9:34 pm to tiger2012
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Roger, it takes some extrapolation. Is his indecisiveness (holding the ball, taking sacks) related to lack of intelligence, lack of confidence, coaching, or inexperience?
Both. Though the experience factor shouldn't be strong at this point, he has a years worth. No one is denying he has the raw skills, he does. But as the thread stated, has he progressed? In some areas, yes....some no. Those areas he hasn't progressed are not due to inexperience only. Obviously he needs help.
Posted on 11/29/09 at 9:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Obviously he needs help.
+1
Crowton isn't doing the job obviously.
But honestly, what can you expect from a OC who brought in hatch to be a SEC starter?
Posted on 11/29/09 at 9:47 pm to Green Ram 2
I don't think Jordan Jefferson will ever play in the NFL, so with that said, his stint at LSU will prove him to be a decent quarterback, but not a great one like lots of folks are predicting.
The kid has heart, that's for sure! With the porous offensive line we've had this year- it's a wonder he wasn't hurt for most of the year. He just needs to be coached up and he needs to sharpen up the mental part of the job.
JJ will be alright!
The kid has heart, that's for sure! With the porous offensive line we've had this year- it's a wonder he wasn't hurt for most of the year. He just needs to be coached up and he needs to sharpen up the mental part of the job.
JJ will be alright!
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