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re: Hannigrif says Orgeron made Canada makes changes by game 3.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 2:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 5/30/19 at 2:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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We were a 19 yard 4th down conversion from being 11-2 last year.
It doesn't count. Most close games are held in the balance by a play or two. If Miles didn't screw up the clock management things may have been different.
Well that's different from saying the offense was incapable of winning. So you agree that the offense could've won the game?
The Auburn game was not like say, the Alabama game of last year. We could've played that game 100 times and I don't think we stay within 21 points of them. That's how awful the offense was. That was an example of an offense that was incapable of competing.
This is not analogous to the Wisconsin and Auburn games of 2016. We just didn't win. It's not that we couldn't win.
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 2:28 pm
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Posted on 5/30/19 at 2:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I think My point was that same shitty Offense was pretty close to being 4-0 or 3-1
Les got fired because he went 2-2.
If he beats either I think He at least makes it through the season.
Les got fired because he went 2-2.
If he beats either I think He at least makes it through the season.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 2:29 pm to SammyTiger
45 pages because of something Chuck Hannagriff said!?
Posted on 5/30/19 at 2:31 pm to PiscesTiger
This has been churning for like almost 2 years.
Everyone knew to some extent that I stepped in.
How soon And how much are fuzzy.
Everyone knew to some extent that I stepped in.
How soon And how much are fuzzy.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 2:31 pm to TigerLunatik
The claim sounds all too plausible and fits perfectly with what we know.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 2:38 pm to SammyTiger
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that same shitty Offense was pretty close to being 4-0 or 3-1
I guess that's one way to look at it. I'm giving credit to the defense myself. The defense is the only thing that kept LSU in those games.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 2:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I dont Disagree with that.
My point again is that the offense was bad and the team was almost 4-0
If they were 4-0 and the offense was still pretty bad I think Les isn’t fired.
Hell, take the same exact shorty offense with LF7 at 100%
I think We win those 2 games without making any real changes to our shitty offensive system.
My point again is that the offense was bad and the team was almost 4-0
If they were 4-0 and the offense was still pretty bad I think Les isn’t fired.
Hell, take the same exact shorty offense with LF7 at 100%
I think We win those 2 games without making any real changes to our shitty offensive system.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 2:50 pm to SammyTiger
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If they were 4-0 and the offense was still pretty bad I think Les isn’t fired.
Probably. I think he may still be on the warm seat though.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 2:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I guess that's one way to look at it. I'm giving credit to the defense myself. The defense is the only thing that kept LSU in those games.
But you said the offense was the reason we were 2-2.
We could've easily won either of those games with that same offense.
I'm not saying the offense wasn't to blame, but it was possible to win the games with that offense. So I think posing the "what if we won those games" hypothetical is valid, seeing as Buckeye is trying to assert that the offense, and not the losses, were the reason that Miles was fired.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 2:52 pm to Goldrush25
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But you said the offense was the reason we were 2-2.
Absolutely.
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We could've easily won either of those games with that same offense.
We didn't. Because the offense sucked.
Hypotheticals are worthless when dealing with reality.
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 5/30/19 at 2:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
For sure.
I think He was on the warm seat because he wasn’t beating Alabama, wasn’t competing for championships yearly AND not making the changes he needed to to do so.
He probably would still be here if he still beating Bama every once and a while and definitely if he was still seriously competing for championships.
If he changes the offense and did neither i don’t think he is here if if he is keeping his promise to the boosters.
Which is why O needs to beat Bama and start competing for championships.
I think He was on the warm seat because he wasn’t beating Alabama, wasn’t competing for championships yearly AND not making the changes he needed to to do so.
He probably would still be here if he still beating Bama every once and a while and definitely if he was still seriously competing for championships.
If he changes the offense and did neither i don’t think he is here if if he is keeping his promise to the boosters.
Which is why O needs to beat Bama and start competing for championships.
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 5/30/19 at 2:58 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Hypotheticals are worthless when dealing with reality.
Well why are you in this discussion in the first place then?
Everyone is aware of what actually happened. We're discussing what would've happened if we'd won those games. Buckeye seems to think Les Miles would still have been fired if we were 4-0. What do you think of that suggestion?
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 5/30/19 at 3:00 pm to SammyTiger
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I think He was on the warm seat because he wasn’t beating Alabama, wasn’t competing for championships yearly AND not making the changes he needed to to do so.
IF you believe media, he was also under fire for an offense that was extremely limited.
But I don't always believe what I read either. Media tends to overly dramatize things and run with rumors as truth.
LINK
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Only hours earlier, LSU had lost 18-13 at Auburn, the third time in four games that LSU had failed to score more than 23 points.
Alleva told Miles the decision was made late Saturday night. In reality, it was probably made last year, when Miles survived a coup in the final hour after beating Texas A&M late in the season. It was only a reprieve, though, because the same power brokers who wanted Miles out didn't go anywhere. And Miles was either too hardheaded or too loyal, and maybe both, to make any sweeping changes on offense.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 3:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
The offense was incidental. The wins and losses were what got Miles fired.
Talk some sense into your buddy Buckeye.
Talk some sense into your buddy Buckeye.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 3:08 pm to Goldrush25
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The offense was incidental.
Evidently not. People with money were frustrated with his stubbornness and lack of innovation.
BTW: It's the same pattern that got Chollie Mac fired.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 3:09 pm to Goldrush25
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But as the college game started to change, Miles dug his heels deeper in the Louisiana soil, and while everybody else was spreading it out, running tempo, finding ways to be creative and scoring points, Miles was still trying to do it his way. The hard way.
It cost him his job.
LINK
So Goldrush's "special" common sense or a published report on ESPN.com - Yeah... gonna go with ESPN on this one.
This post was edited on 5/30/19 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 5/30/19 at 3:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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And he lost too many games because his old-fashioned offense couldn't beat the elite teams consistently.
And we weren’t ranked his last 6 seasons...
All styles of coaching look better when you’re winning.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 3:12 pm to Goldrush25
“ we just didn’t win”
Miles had experienced that too many times of late. 10 losses in two years and four games is not acceptable at the LSU we have come to expect since 2000. Was the timing questionable? Yes, but there was never going to be a good time.
I don’t care about who the coach is or the OC is or what offense we run. I only care we win the west. Until we do, this is going to go on and on and on and on...............
Miles had experienced that too many times of late. 10 losses in two years and four games is not acceptable at the LSU we have come to expect since 2000. Was the timing questionable? Yes, but there was never going to be a good time.
I don’t care about who the coach is or the OC is or what offense we run. I only care we win the west. Until we do, this is going to go on and on and on and on...............
Posted on 5/30/19 at 3:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I mean The offense being shite is why we were losing.
I guess Everyone’s point was that as bad as thenoffense was we were still very close to being 4-0.
MY big point was that O is expected to win more than Les. Not just change up the offense.
I guess Everyone’s point was that as bad as thenoffense was we were still very close to being 4-0.
MY big point was that O is expected to win more than Les. Not just change up the offense.
Posted on 5/30/19 at 3:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Evidently not. People with money were frustrated with his stubbornness and lack of innovation.
If you agree that being 4-0 would've saved his job, then you're implicitly acknowledging that the offense was not the common denominator involved in the calls for his dismissal. It was the losses.
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