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re: Grading Coach O since he was hired as HC
Posted on 2/24/17 at 7:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 2/24/17 at 7:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Anytime you lose a hard coach an OC in the middle of recruiting season, with more than half the class committed you risk a major fallout. They did a good job of keeping it together.
Which is exactly what i said. Repeatedly. But this notion that Ed Orgeron is one of the few coaches that could do it is utter bullshite speculation.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 7:49 am
Posted on 2/24/17 at 7:55 am to Jmwtigre
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he has done a REMARKABLE job!
Didn't we lose out on seven of the top ten players in the state? That's remarkable?
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hire #1 offensive coordinator hires for past two years (as rated by independent sources) - don't know the source, but did read it somewhere.
His offense put up 700 more yards than LSU did this year while playing one more game than LSU and while playing in a weaker defensive conference.
Lets wait until he faces some SEC defenses before we label him #1.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 8:01 am to LSU Groupee
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His offense put up 700 more yards than LSU did this year while playing one more game than LSU and while playing in a weaker defensive conference.
Lets wait until he faces some SEC defenses before we label him #1.
Stating facts like this will get you labeled as wanting Orgeron to fail.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:43 am to GermantownTiger
Overall---top to bottom, left to right--I'd give him a B.......He's had a couple brain-farts but done pretty well.....
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:15 am to GermantownTiger
I am really pleased.
I like our staff, and I like the move to get rid of Juluke and Craig if they were not doing what they needed.
That took some balls and was a tougher move than just turning a blind eye.
I like our staff, and I like the move to get rid of Juluke and Craig if they were not doing what they needed.
That took some balls and was a tougher move than just turning a blind eye.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:19 am to LSU Groupee
quote:We don't get Allen or Smith no matter what.
Didn't we lose out on seven of the top ten players in the state? That's remarkable?
Miles probably keeps Moses, but we don't get Phillips.
We had a great class...the 'in state' shite is soooooo overplayed. I don't care where they come from, just go get em.
Did we not enjoy the success of Jamal Adams cause he was from Texas? What if Stevens was from Bastrop, would he now be a better player? Phillips? Brennan?
Saban had to retain the La players when he came in, cause we couldn't even recruit Texas, now we recruit the entire SE USA.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:49 am to tigerfoot
When a school changes head coaches, it usually happens after the season is over and the new HC cleans house, install his own coordinators etc.
Here, the change in midseason removing only underperforming HC and OC actually was ideal for continuity.
The recruiting coordinator became the HC , the rising star DC stays, and recruiting players on offense should have been easier, not harder. IN fact, a good argument is to be made that Da Coach O lost valuable time and recruiting opportunities dithering with Kiffen for OC, who, thankfully, was jerking O around. BY the time Canada got on board, we lost valuable time.
Query: would Les have lost Akers and Wilson to Jimbo? No one knows, but I doubt it. What happens if Austin Thomas doesn't pull Orgeron's 'nads out of the fire by performing miracles with J. Phillips and Jacoby?
Still, O hasn't screwed anything up as a whole. But hasn't worked miracles , either.
Proof will be in wins and losses this fall
Here, the change in midseason removing only underperforming HC and OC actually was ideal for continuity.
The recruiting coordinator became the HC , the rising star DC stays, and recruiting players on offense should have been easier, not harder. IN fact, a good argument is to be made that Da Coach O lost valuable time and recruiting opportunities dithering with Kiffen for OC, who, thankfully, was jerking O around. BY the time Canada got on board, we lost valuable time.
Query: would Les have lost Akers and Wilson to Jimbo? No one knows, but I doubt it. What happens if Austin Thomas doesn't pull Orgeron's 'nads out of the fire by performing miracles with J. Phillips and Jacoby?
Still, O hasn't screwed anything up as a whole. But hasn't worked miracles , either.
Proof will be in wins and losses this fall
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:02 am to BigTiger80
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And also please enlighten the rest of us on what Miles accomplished after the 2011 season with a program that has consistently had as much or more talent in the NFL in recent memory than any other school.
I've made it obvious I think the O hire was terrible, I'm not hiding from that. I had a conversation with two coworkers recently, and they both tried to tell me that all of our NFL guys were developed AFTER they left LSU, not by Les and his staff. Not kidding at all, I had to walk away from the conversation at that point.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:07 am to nitwit
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would Les have lost Akers and Wilson to Jimbo
He would've pulled Akers and lost Wilson IMO...
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:07 am to tigerfoot
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e had a great class...the 'in state' shite is soooooo overplayed. I don't care where they come from, just go get em.
You should. Its been proven that lsu is only consistently good when we lock down Louisiana. Think of how great our class is if we locked down La and still had the oos haul.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:10 am to BayouBengals18
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d they both tried to tell me that all of our NFL guys were developed AFTER they left LSU, not by Les and his staff. Not kidding at all, I had to walk away from the conversation at that point.
There is a portion of lsu fans that really think all our success from 2005-2015 was in spite of miles. They think just any coach couldve recruited all those great players despite lsu's century old history proving them wrong. Miles wasnt a great game day coach but there are about 4-5 elite recruiters that are also elite game day coaches. Thats what makes them the best coaches in cfb.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:17 am to Rickdaddy4188
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But this notion that Ed Orgeron is one of the few coaches that could do it is utter bull shite speculation.
I don't know if he's the only coach who could have done it but Orgeron did better holding his first recruiting class together than Miles and Saban did in their first years. I'm going by how they were ranked compared to prior classes. Granted he might have had more continuity because so much of the staff was still intact but he also had an overall more tumultuous situation with all the surrounding drama, no OC and firing Peveto.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:39 am to tigertex1992
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but he also had an overall more tumultuous situation with all the surrounding drama
How so? He was RC for almost a year before he was named HC, so the relationships were already there, and if you go back and read recruits' quotes when he was named both Interim and Full Time HC, they all said they love O. He also had over a full month more than Les, and I can't remember how much longer than Saban, before signing day.
ETA: Saban was named HC on November 30, so around the same time as O. Also, it was O's choice to holdout hope for Kiffin, and he got burned. Kiffin also caused the Tua drama.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 11:42 am
Posted on 2/24/17 at 12:39 pm to tigerfoot
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the 'in state' shite is soooooo overplayed.
We can downplay losing all those Louisiana guys all you want, but they didn't sign with ULL or Arkansas State. Those were highly rated guys who said no to O. Bury you head in the sand if you want, but its never a good thing when talented state players start leaving the state.
It might be just a one time thing and next year we get everyone we want. O did a good to this point, but I don't see it as a remarkable job. Scoring ten points total in two home SEC games still makes me wonder about hiring a DL coach as our head football coach.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 12:55 pm to tigertex1992
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I don't know if he's the only coach who could have done it but Orgeron did better holding his first recruiting class together than Miles and Saban did in their first years.
Lol. Miles in 05 was hired a month before signing day and saban had stopped recruiting. So much so that miles only signed 13 recruits in his 1st class.
Ed orgeron had been the recruiting coordinator for over year and had already had relationships with these recruits. The situations arent remotely close.
Like i said, Coach O deserves praise for keeping the class intact but leta not act like ed orgeron is one of the few coaches that couldve done this given the circumstances. He was the recruiting coordinator before being hired as HC. He had relationships with all these recruits.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 2/24/17 at 2:38 pm to nitwit
This is false, I saw an LSU team completely turned around after Les was fired. He turned this program around because it was headed to a very dark place. Miles wasn't a leader, second guessed too much on player decisions, in game decisions, and just never stopped to listen to what the players wanted.
Since O has taken over I've seen a more diciplined team, quick/consistent decisions, and the team now knows where the line is drawn that if that line is crossed there will be disipline which you will not like. He's setting a president in the program, he's listening to the players, they are having fun, he's changed practice times, and he's listening to the fans by starting the spring game at night. He's creating a team like environment on AND off the field everywhere they go it's together as a team. He's changing the spring drills making them much more intense. He's made home run hires the players will respond to positively, guys that work hard, know their positions, and can get on the road to recruit. He's put a premium on keeping the best in La, no matter thier star rating but by actually projecting that player on this LSU team. He's doing everything right IMO.
Say what you want about this class but O and LSU had some tremendous negative recruiting to overcome. Yes O was recruiting coordinator but it was still Les Miles recruiting tactics, we all know he had his hand in everything. O even said that they didn't really start recruiting until he had taken over. Les was slow but still LSU found guys every year. This tells me that with a great year (which I think we will have) that LSU will be able to calm lots of that negative recruiting then land most of the guys we want. Just look at what happened over the weekend guys committed on the spot, guys Les would have most certainly played slow. Another top 5 class so far without a season even played yet. Once the season is kicked off LSU will be a huge player nationally, and this staff won't be out worked. I expect to have another top 5 possibly top 3 class with LA being down. When LA was down Les Miles didn't do so well in recruiting, so we'll see what O has this year. I expect a totally different team to come out blowing passed the first 4 games. I mean dominating like we've seen with ole Nicky back in 03 then carrying that over into SEC play. AL, AU, FL IMO will be the only teams to really compete. GT
Since O has taken over I've seen a more diciplined team, quick/consistent decisions, and the team now knows where the line is drawn that if that line is crossed there will be disipline which you will not like. He's setting a president in the program, he's listening to the players, they are having fun, he's changed practice times, and he's listening to the fans by starting the spring game at night. He's creating a team like environment on AND off the field everywhere they go it's together as a team. He's changing the spring drills making them much more intense. He's made home run hires the players will respond to positively, guys that work hard, know their positions, and can get on the road to recruit. He's put a premium on keeping the best in La, no matter thier star rating but by actually projecting that player on this LSU team. He's doing everything right IMO.
Say what you want about this class but O and LSU had some tremendous negative recruiting to overcome. Yes O was recruiting coordinator but it was still Les Miles recruiting tactics, we all know he had his hand in everything. O even said that they didn't really start recruiting until he had taken over. Les was slow but still LSU found guys every year. This tells me that with a great year (which I think we will have) that LSU will be able to calm lots of that negative recruiting then land most of the guys we want. Just look at what happened over the weekend guys committed on the spot, guys Les would have most certainly played slow. Another top 5 class so far without a season even played yet. Once the season is kicked off LSU will be a huge player nationally, and this staff won't be out worked. I expect to have another top 5 possibly top 3 class with LA being down. When LA was down Les Miles didn't do so well in recruiting, so we'll see what O has this year. I expect a totally different team to come out blowing passed the first 4 games. I mean dominating like we've seen with ole Nicky back in 03 then carrying that over into SEC play. AL, AU, FL IMO will be the only teams to really compete. GT
Posted on 2/24/17 at 4:33 pm to TheCaterpillar
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O needs to make sure he returns then give him a full time baby sitter.
He's not in any kind of trouble cat
Posted on 2/24/17 at 5:43 pm to GermantownTiger
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Recruiting for 2017 class: B+
Except for the fact BAMA basically cleaned the state of top recruits
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