you realize you're making my case for me right? lsu is essentially standing still while others are playing at a higher level despite lesser resources at their disposal. this is REALLY escaping you

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It’s been proven multiple times in multiple threads

you said fsu sucks because they haven't won it all despite multiple trips. prove it

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Your downvotes

are you a 16 year old girl? stop being a coward. poll every sports fan in the world and test your theory that the bills sucked for making 4 super bowls in a row but didn't win even 1

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No shite Sherlock

so now you're contradicting yourself. does fsu suck or not?

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No but LSU has been better than both

contradicting yourself again. you said it was better to go less and win it all than to be fsu. well, ariz has a nc and lsu does not. i'm using your own criteria

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So your saying UCLA,OSU,UVA haven’t been to the CWS less than LSU since 2009?

you saw the lists yourself. you know what the score is. you can look it up. the point still stands, which i see you're still ignoring. those programs are doing more with less. also, typical pm bot having to reach back 11 seasons to prop up pm. even so, it still doesn't even get him to #1. heck you could argue it doesn't even make him the clear #2 and the trend is getting worse

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UVA has the same amount

look at their investment in the sport compared to lsu's. what does that tell you? they're not even in the same universe as lsu. ditto texas tech. ditto osu.

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OSU & UCLA both have less

when i mentioned those two, it was in the context of the last decade. but if you insist on going back an extra season, that still doesn't help pm because it demonstrably shows that his results are regressing while others are progressing.

if you go back 11 seasons, 3 schools have more appearances. 4 schools have more games. 2 schools have more wins. if you go back a decade, lsu falls further down the list. but you knew all this already didn't you?

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I’m not factually wrong

every time i have posted that, you have been. you keep correcting yourself by moving the goalposts, like introducing things like win percentage over the last 11 seasons.

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So you are lying again

quote one time where i did this. meanwhile, fsu "sucks" according to you and "everybody knows it"

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I could go back to 2008

go ahead tough guy

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it’s not cherry picking

yes it is. you picked out one single stat (that doesn't even get lsu to #1) and have fought violently against all of the other facts; appearances, wins, number of games, etc.

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Wear it like a man

go on the record, are there multiple programs who have equaled or surpassed lsu's cws results over the last 10-11 seasons despite a lesser investment in the sport? YES OR NO CHAMP

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Posted on 6/18/19 at 7:26 am to Parade Grounds

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Who do you replace him with?

Same BS question that was presented when Curley Hallman was on the hot seat

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Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:03 am to bfniii

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that's why i covered 3 metrics over a decade in relation to investment to the sport; roi. that's about as broad and sufficient as you can get in a sport with a robust postseason tournament and including the specificity of the cws to baseball

You realize that LSU isn’t the only school putting money into baseball anymore right? Hell half the sec has built a new stadium in the last decade. This isn’t skips college baseball.

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debatable and subjective. i am comparing ceteris parabis results. not vague assertions like "fsu sucks" and "who else are you going to get" and "lsu foreverrrrr"

There is nothing debatable or subjective about it. If you don’t think making it to Omaha is a good season then that’s a you problem.

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totally agree with this. there are several programs over the last decade that have equal or superior cws results despite a lesser investment in the sport. that is neither controversial nor subjective. well, at least for reasonable, unbiased people

Who?

Florida, Vandy, Oregon State?

I guess you could throw South Carolina in there although they fell off a cliff immediately after winning two. So at worst LSU is a top 5 program, are you really arguing that as a bad thing?

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Posted by Howyouluhdat

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Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:12 am to bfniii

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you realize you're making my case for me right? lsu is essentially standing still while others are playing at a higher level despite lesser resources at their disposal. this is REALLY escaping you

It's not escaping me at all. LSU has the most resources according to you and they have been at the top of the college baseball world for the majority of PM's tenure. I have proven that to you multiple times with appearances,CWS win %,& championships all combined. In 2015 PM had the most wins in the nation since 2009 with 337 and what like 6 national seeds in a row. If that's not consistency I don't know what is. No one school can beat LSU in all 3 except UF. I have proven that to you with facts but every time you disregard them. Yes there are a couple of schools like OSU & UF that you can say have done more with less but that's it. Vanderbilt(according to your link)only invest about $300,000 less and that's miniscule when talking about millions of dollars and they have almost the exact same accomplishments as LSU since 2009. If you want to hang your hat on a couple more CWS wins then go for it but it doesn't prove one program has been far and away better than another. If you want to be unrealistic and say LSU should be far and away #1 in everything then that's on you but that's not reality and it never will be. No school no matter how much money you want to pump into the program will dominate in todays game. It's evident by the 10 different national champions in the last 11 years. You choose not to except that this isn't the 90's anymore and it just makes you look dumb as hell but carry on.

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you said fsu sucks because they haven't won it all despite multiple trips. prove it

I didn't say they sucked I said they are the most underachieving program out there. Here you go

FLA ST: 23 CWS Appearances , 30 wins and a 40% winning percentage and no titles. They rank #1 in that category. Among the elite they are at the bottom of the barrel.

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poll every sports fan in the world

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bills sucked for making 4 super bowls in a row but didn't win even 1

Nobody gives two shits about a team that lost 4 super bowls. Everyone remembers the bad not the good. Anyone in the right mind would take the saints winning the 1 super bowl they did then take 4 losses in the super bowl. Are you serious?

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so now you're contradicting yourself. does fsu suck or not?

When compared to the elite of college baseball yes they do. Compared to Arizona, which is the question you asked me, it's pretty close. Arizona has 4 titles, FSU has ZERO. Which would you rather have?

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contradicting yourself again. you said it was better to go less and win it all than to be fsu. well, ariz has a nc and lsu does not. i'm using your own criteria

I know your brain is fried from all the meth but are you kidding me? When it comes to National Titles yes it's better to actually win one than not. That was the point my god. Do you comprehend that? You are really going to argue that Arizona has had a better program than LSU since PM has been coach?

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heck you could argue it doesn't even make him the clear #2 and the trend is getting worse

So now you are admitting that LSU is #2

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they're not even in the same universe as lsu

UVA is not in the same universe as LSU as in they are way ahead? Is that what you are saying? A team that missed the postseason entirely the past 2 years lol and lost in the regional the 2 years before that. Holy frick you are dumb

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when i mentioned those two, it was in the context of the last decade. but if you insist on going back an extra season, that still doesn't help pm because it demonstrably shows that his results are regressing while others are progressing.

Can't admit you are wrong again just because I go back to an actual national championship season. You know something that defines success.

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if you go back 11 seasons, 3 schools have more appearances. 4 schools have more games. 2 schools have more wins

So listen to yourself. It's basically like 2 or 3 schools that you are admitting are ahead of lsu. That's not a lot

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like introducing things like win percentage over the last 11 seasons.

Win percentage is a statistic that measures success and cannot be argued but keep trying. Win totals is not the same big guy.

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quote one time where i did this.

Look we can argue all day going back a decade or 2009. It doesn't really matter but for you to leave out the one season that defines a huge amount of success is just plain dumb on your part. So in that case UCLA,OSU,Vandy etc do not have more cws appearances than LSU. That's a fact

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go ahead tough guy

It would just help my case that LSU has sustained success all the way from 2008 to 2017 :lol:

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are there multiple programs who have equaled or surpassed lsu's cws results over the last 10-11 seasons despite a lesser investment in the sport? YES OR NO CHAMP

Yes, there are a grand total of 2. I admit that and always have but that doesn't take away anything LSU and PM have done in that time frame as well. There's going to be up and down years in baseball. Everyone that watches it knows that but for you to sit here and expect LSU to be the absolute #1 program and dominate like they did in the 90's just isn't reality. You will be better off following a different sport. I expect LSU to be top 5 and they have been for the most part since PM has been here. I have said it before and I will say it again next year is make or break. If LSU doesn't get to OMAHA then a lot of things need to be addressed but im not going to flip out when we just played for the title in 2017.

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Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:02 am to 0

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You realize that LSU isn’t the only school putting money into baseball anymore right?

no. i had no idea. i've never looked into it. i just posted a dumb opinion after getting drunk one night. i guess you're not aware i have posted multiple articles showing lsu has the largest investment in the sport.

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Hell half the sec has built a new stadium in the last decade

and yet, lsu STILL has a bigger investment in the sport than anyone else. lsu's facilities are 2nd to none. this has all been covered before.

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This isn’t skips college baseball

oh my word. like this hasn't been refuted about a million times. there is something in between "skip's college baseball" and lsu's cws results over the last 10-11 seasons. why isn't lsu in that middle ground? other teams are despite a lesser investment in the sport. lsu is being surpassed over a long period of time.

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There is nothing debatable or subjective about it

it most certainly is both of those because you commented on his results out of context. what does "really good" mean? it's obvious from the vitriol over pm lately that there are people who disagree with you. i am comparing his results directly with his peers. he is falling short.

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If you don’t think making it to Omaha is a good season then that’s a you problem

lsu didn't make it to omaha so what is your point? yet another year when other programs outperformed lsu and lsu is getting passed up by better programs.

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Who?

cws records since 2010 (not including 2019 cws)

fla 13-13, 10/11/12/15/16/17/18, 1 nc
uva 11-6, 11/14/15, 1 nc
vandy 11-6, 11/14/15, 1 nc
ucla 9-5, 10/12/13, 1 nc
ariz 10-3, 12/16, 1 nc
osu 10-6, 13/17/18, 1 nc
tcu 11-10, 10/14/15/16/17
ark 6-6, 12/15/18
unc 4-6, 11/13/18
fsu 4-6, 10/12/17
lsu 5-7, 13/15/17
msu 5-4, 13/18
tex 3-6, 11/14/18
ttech 2-6, 14/16/18

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So at worst LSU is a top 5 program, are you really arguing that as a bad thing?

if you have the top investment in the sport and you are (not even) "top 5" over a decade, yeah. that's a problem. that's an roi problem. the ad needs to be asking where his money is going because the program is being surpassed by programs who have a lesser investment.

i cannot believe this concept is so hard for people to understand.

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Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:36 am to Howyouluhdat

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LSU has the most resources according to you

no, not according to me. according to facts. lsu is 2nd to none in resources. i have substantiated that multiple times.

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they have been at the top of the college baseball world for the majority of PM's tenure

there goes another one of your subjective statements that don't match up with reality and facts. i am directly comparing his cws results with his peers. he is falling short. that is a fact. he has not been "at the top." sully has. 7 appearances in 10 seasons with a nc. the only program close is tcu with 5 appearances during that span.

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I have proven that to you multiple times with appearances,CWS win %,& championships all combined

you made my point for me. the win%

and appearances are GOING DOWN. that is part of the problem. you have to reach back 11 seasons to grab lsu's best numbers. but keep ignoring that.

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In 2015 PM had the most wins in the nation since 2009 with 337 and what like 6 national seeds in a row

there's the other bastion for pm bots - regular season wins

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If that's not consistency I don't know what is

of course you don't, because you think lsu has been the #2 cws team since '09.

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No one school can beat LSU in all 3 except UF.

yeah, you're right. lsu has better cws results than

fla 13-13, 10/11/12/15/16/17/18, 1 nc
uva 12-8, 09/11/14/15, 1 nc
vandy 11-6, 11/14/15/19, 1 nc
tcu 11-10, 10/14/15/16/17
ark 9-9, 09/12/15/18/19
lsu 11-7, 09/13/15/17

lsu falls DOWN the list after '09

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I have proven that to you with facts but every time you disregard them

the one fact you have stated is cws winning percentage since '09. congrats. take a poll and see how much traction that gets. you haven't posted any facts about resources, budgets, etc. saying "fsu sucks and everybody knows it" is not a fact.

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Yes there are a couple of schools like OSU & UF that you can say have done more with less but that's it

vandy, uva, ucla, tcu, ark, unc, fsu all have equal to better cws results in the last 10 seasons. heck, even ttech might be on this list now. you are wrong and naive. judging from the threads lately, others can see it too.

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Vanderbilt(according to your link)only invest about $300,000 less and that's miniscule when talking about millions of dollars

first, i have also shown figures that they are $1mil short of lsu. second, you think vandy's resources are superior to lsu's?

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If you want to hang your hat on a couple more CWS

first, i'm not "hanging my hat" on anything. it's just brute fact win/loss records. second, "a couple more"

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it doesn't prove one program has been far and away better than another

so here is where the subjective, goal post moving happens. now we've gone from "lsu is #2 since '09" to these other programs aren't "far and away better." :lol: in other threads, pm bots had to backtrack to "negligible" when admitting other programs have been better.

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If you want to be unrealistic and say LSU should be far and away #1 in everything

yeah, you've tried this lie before. quote where i ever said anything like "far and away #1"

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No school no matter how much money you want to pump into the program will dominate in todays game

the old "it's not the 90's anymore" argument i have debunked dozens of times

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You choose not to except that this isn't the 90's anymore

i have NEVER said pm isn't winning enough championships. not ever.

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it just makes you look dumb as hell

dumb is misquoting someone because you are getting your butt kicked arguing against facts

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I didn't say they sucked

"FSU hasn't done shite"

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FLA ST: 23 CWS Appearances , 30 wins and a 40% winning percentage and no titles

NO ONE IS TALKING ALL TIME HISTORY. why do you keep bringing that up. we are talking about recent history, as in the last decade and they are right with lsu's cws results so does that make lsu "underachieving?" oh wait, "cws win%". :lol: even that doesn't work for you because your program that "underachieves" has essentially the same cws win% as lsu. oops. that didn't work did it?

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OK

it was your statement so are you now retracting it?

"they aren't viewed by logical college baseball fans as a better program then ones with titles"
"Just about every fan would take less trips and hardware over more trips and a handful of popcorn"
"Anybody that thinks playing more games and losing is better vs playing less games and winning is a special human being"
"I can promise you just about every college baseball fan out there will tell you that"

wear it like a man. let's see you poll every sports fan in the world to back up these idiotic statements. since '08 who is better - fresno st or fl st?

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Nobody gives two shits about a team that lost 4 super bowls

sounds like we need another poll. ever heard of survey monkey?

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Everyone remembers the bad not the good

now there's some objective facts.

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Anyone in the right mind would take the saints winning the 1 super bowl they did then take 4 losses in the super bowl

yet another poll. so take any 4 years surrounding the saints sb win and take the bills' 4 years of sb losses and ask which one is "better." not what they "would take." which 4 seasons indicates a better team. ariz has a baseball nc in the last 10 seasons. have they been a better program than tcu?

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When compared to the elite of college baseball yes they do

OH. MY. WORD. first, :lol: that you think they aren't "elite." 4 cws appearances in the last 10 seasons. my gosh. your definition of elite is stupid. second, you're now back to saying they suck again. which is it? you honestly should stop commenting on this subject.

you make broad, subjective statements you can't prove.
you keep contradicting yourself.
you think fsu "sucks," "underachieves" and aren't elite.
you think lsu has been the #2 program since '09.

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Arizona has 4 titles, FSU has ZERO

you keep reintroducing all time history. why is this so hard for you to comprehend. pm has not been the coach at lsu for 40+ seasons. you keep calling me names and you can't even keep up with the conversation. you don't even know what you're discussing.

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When it comes to National Titles yes it's better to actually win one than not

this is not ceteris parabis. in the last 10 seasons of college baseball, has ariz been a "better program" than fsu? you don't even understand the questions that are being asked.

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You are really going to argue that Arizona has had a better program than LSU since PM has been coach?

you didn't even read the question. in the last 10 seasons, ariz has a nc. lsu and tcu do not. who has been the better program? my word. i'm having to explain this to a 10 year old.

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So now you are admitting that LSU is #2

read my statement again

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UVA is not in the same universe as LSU as in they are way ahead?

sigh. in the last 10 seasons, uva has surpassed lsu's cws results yet, uva is not in the same universe as lsu in regards to investment. explain that.

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Holy frick you are dumb

when you start to act like you are smarter than a 10 year old, maybe you can join the discussion like an adult

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Can't admit you are wrong again just because I go back to an actual national championship season

totally missed the point i made. as usual. feel free to read my comment again and respond if you understand

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Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:38 am to Howyouluhdat

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It's basically like 2 or 3 schools that you are admitting are ahead of lsu

still totally missing the point. here it is yet again - IN THE LAST 10 - 11 SEASONS, SEVERAL PROGRAMS HAVE EQUALED OR SURPASSED LSU'S CWS RESULTS DESPITE A LESSER INVESTMENT IN THE SPORT. it's not "2 or 3."

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Win percentage is a statistic that measures success and cannot be argued

yep. do you think that one metric demonstrably shows lsu has been the #2 program since '09? take a poll and see how many people would agree with that.

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Look we can argue all day going back a decade or 2009. It doesn't really matter

you're right. it doesn't really change the situation for pm. moreover, it shows that he's regressing.

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for you to leave out

i have never failed to discuss it when brought up. i have discussed it with you at length. going back to '09 doesn't really help pm

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So in that case UCLA,OSU,Vandy etc do not have more cws appearances than LSU

did you know those schools have the same number of nc's (your favorite) on about the same number of appearances? have you looked at the investment those schools have made in the sport?

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It would just help my case that LSU has sustained success all the way from 2008 to 2017

i have not disagreed with "sustained success" ever. but it's subjective. success compared to what?

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there are a grand total of 2

factually wrong. you won't be able to understand this discussion until you can admit the facts. several programs have equaled or surpassed lsu's cws results. you are denying facts.

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for you to sit here and expect LSU to be the absolute #1 program

quote where i said this

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dominate like they did in the 90's

still lying about me

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I expect LSU to be top 5

it's arguable that lsu hasn't been, especially in the last 10 seasons. moreover, why is your expectation worth listening to? are you the lsu ad? so you're ok with investing more than anyone else and landing somewhere in the top 5 over a decade? i want to work for you. i would have a good margin for error