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re: Former LSU players had high praise for Coach Orgeron and his staff

Posted on 1/25/19 at 12:44 am to
Posted by earl keese
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Posted on 1/25/19 at 12:44 am to
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What the frick?


That was totally uncalled for. But that's the way ben rolls. He can be as rude, hateful and obnoxious as he sees fit, but when it's directed at him, he cries like a 3 year old.

It's a fricking miracle he hasn't been banned yet.
Posted by boxcar willie
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Posted on 1/25/19 at 2:30 am to
I personally dont consider a season we finished #6 in the country under acheiving. There were way more seasons under both Miles and saban where we finished worse than that than ones that we finished better than that.
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 1/25/19 at 2:46 am to
I think they took down the post at least. That’s just going too far man.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
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Posted on 1/25/19 at 3:02 am to
In Sabans 5 seasons at LSU, THE team only finished ranked 6 or better 1 time. In the 11 seasons under Miles it only happened 4 times and only once since the 2007 season. Sorry if i dont consider the 2018 season as failing or under acheiving. Sure we want to do better, but it's not like top 5 finishes were a regular occurance under Miles or Saban either. You 6 (as in earkeese, madking, rickdaddy, goldfish, trevrolling, and justice) may not be able to see the improvement since Orgeron took over, but most everyone else does. The foundation is being laid for bigger and better seasons.
This post was edited on 1/25/19 at 3:21 am
Posted by boxcar willie
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Posted on 1/25/19 at 3:08 am to
The oline does need to get better, and with the experience that they gained and the influx of new talent gives me no reason to think they wont be. I am sure even the players themselves recognize that and doubt they take that as an insult.

We have good depth with quality players that just needed more time working together as a unit and now have been through the fires of SEC play and another year of physical and mental maturation and coaching
This post was edited on 1/25/19 at 3:14 am
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 1/25/19 at 3:18 am to
Saban inherited a team that won 7 games in the 2 previous seasons combined. 0rgeron inherited a 9 win team that was pre-season ranked 5th nationally. Saban finished second in the SEC West his first year then won the SEC in his second season. 0rgeron has two 3rd place SEC West finishes. Saban won a national title in year 4 and I’ll make a ban bet with you that 0 doesn’t. The circumstances under which these two coaches took over are opposite ends of the spectrum.
This post was edited on 1/25/19 at 3:22 am
Posted by TrueTigerTale
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Posted on 1/25/19 at 3:38 am to
Don’t go out on a limb Mack
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
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Posted on 1/25/19 at 3:38 am to
Yet he only had one season where he had a team finish higher in the polls than the LSU team did this season. Miles only had an LSU team finish higher in the polls once since 2007. The polls recognize the context of LSUs 2 SEC road losses as being close losses in tough SEC road games against two very good teams, one of which the refs calls had a lot to do with
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 1/25/19 at 3:41 am to
I’m glad we finished 6th it’s nice momentum for next season but that’s all it is. It’s an opinion poll, It doesn’t get us closer to a division, conference or national title whatsoever. Would you rather finish 6th in the post season poll along with a 3rd place SEC West finish or would you rather finish 7th with a Western division crown and an SEC title?
This post was edited on 1/25/19 at 3:43 am
Posted by TrueTigerTale
Zachary, La.
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Posted on 1/25/19 at 3:44 am to
Boxcar, according to Hannagriff, in 2019 LSU will have 16 Olinemen in the roster. There needs to be a heavy workload in the weight room this off season. LSU doesn’t live or die because of Ensminger, whether LSU lives or dies in 2019 depends on the Oline .
This post was edited on 1/25/19 at 4:00 am
Posted by TrueTigerTale
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Posted on 1/25/19 at 3:54 am to
Finishing 6th in a poll is based more on fact than just an opinion. It’s the preseason polls at the start of a each season that are nothing more than a beauty contest.
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 1/25/19 at 3:57 am to
I noticed a big difference in the playcalling during the bowl game compared to when we are in a pressure packed SEC game. If 0 lets Ensminger loosen the reigns and let’s Burrow and the WRs use their talents and be aggressive the offense will look totally different. It’s not a talent issue we just have to play loose and confident. If 0 takes the shackles off and gets away from the Jim Mora/Carl Smith approach to offense we’ll have a chance.
Posted by TrueTigerTale
Zachary, La.
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:03 am to
I thought LSU’s last two games were the best the offense looked. Let’em loose in 2019, Burrow clearly has a handle on everything.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:16 am to
Between the ears Burrow is the best QB we’ve had since Tommy Hodson and maybe a top 3 QB alltime as far as understanding and ability to recognize looks and check into big plays. I’m not sure why it wasn’t done but after Miami the approach should’ve been to build the offense around Etling and the 7 quality WRs we had on the roster. I don’t mean going full on spread and throwing it 50 times a game, I’m talking about using those guys as the offenses fastball with the run game as the changeup. In the bowl I saw us use taller athletic WRs downfield and the courage to take shots. I saw Dillon running jerk routes for the first time ever and that paid off as well. To me our last two seasons main problem in the passing game was the inability and lack of skill set usage to convert 3rd and medium situations. You have guys like Dillon and Giles that you can use as slot WRs the way NFL teams do. These two players are built for exactly that but too many times I saw us run 4 hitches across or all slants to convert those situations. That’s high school level play designs. We also didn’t use Dee Anderson or Sullivan’s height to create mismatches in the redzone and in general. I did see these things in the Bowl game so I know it’s in the bag. The question is will we use it when it counts? Burrow and those WRs are our mismatches vs anybody we face and they “must” be the focal point of our offense next season if we expect to reach our goals.
This post was edited on 1/25/19 at 4:19 am
Posted by boxcar willie
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Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:17 am to
The polls are recognition by those that follow football that LSU had a very good team in 2018, 6th best, which shows the team has improved a great deal over where we had been the last 5-6 years and are that much closer to where we need to be, which is a perineial top tier program that can compete for the NC on a regular basis. We arent there yet but are closer than we have been for a long time.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:26 am to
Well in 2015 we were a 3 loss team as well who’d actually climbed higher than this team in the polls reaching #2 at one point so the improving has really been over 0s start until now not really over the last 6 seasons. And I’m not sure we are actually closer to our goals, #6 post season is a nice decoration but during our journey to reach those goals we finished outside the top 10. Also back to back 3rd place finishes in the division is t really improvement. There are two possible ways to reach our goals, either we win our division giving us a chance at the SEC title and a playoff berth. The other route is to finish the regular season with 1 loss bypassing the conference title game and getting into the playoffs. We haven’t threatened either avenue under the new regime so I have to disagree there. You are right we did improve this seaon but really only compared to 0s first season and 3/4.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:26 am to
Rigbt, the offense needs to pick up where it left off at the end of the 2018 season and build off of it. That everyone, the players and coaches, will be that much more experienced both with each other and in SEC play, and with some new elite level talent coming in, should see a big improvement for the 2019 season. If not it wont bode well for Ensminger or Coach O. I just think the offense will be plenty potent in 2019.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70811 posts
Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:34 am to
I agree but the offense has to be designed for Burrow to be the engine that drives it. Every concept and gameplan must start with putting him in position to win the games for us. In the modern era of college football the old formula of running the ball and playing great defense behind it with a game manager who just can’t lose it for you has been over. In bigtime college football your QB has to make plays and win games for you. We must shed the old school ideology and provide Burrow with everything he needs to get it done. We need packages and play designs for our slot type WRs we need screen packages, not just your cookie cutter basic screen play ran once a game if that. Clemson throws a screen pass on 30% of their pass plays, I’ll bet ours is more like 5% or less. I have no problem with Ensminger, I think he’s a true Tiger and loves this program but he needs to get to work and 0 needs to stay out of the way unless it’s a critical decision situation.
This post was edited on 1/25/19 at 4:37 am
Posted by boxcar willie
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Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:37 am to
I believe we finished unranked in 2014 and 14th in 2015 in the final polls for each season. But yes we had reached a low point at the end of 2015 and to start 2016, losing 3 of the last 5 games of 2015 and 2 of 4 to start 2016 for a combined record of 4-5 over Miles last games coming off of a 8-5 record in 2014 and a combined SEC RECORD of 10-8 over coach Miles final 2 plus seasons. So things had slumped since the end of the 2011 season, but just got even worse towards the end of Miles tenure at LSU.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70811 posts
Posted on 1/25/19 at 4:46 am to
Yea that was Jennings which was a mess but in 2015 we were a 3 loss team, would’ve had 10 wins if it weren’t for a cancellation. 2012 and 2013 10-3 both seasons. So Miles last 3 full seasons he was 29-9, 76%win pct, 0 is 19-7, 73%. Won’t count the 2016 season, that isn’t fair to either man. So of course I agree the outlook was negative and he def should’ve been fired but the improvement this season was over last season not really over Miles last few seasons. Still it’s good we did improve and exceeded what the Media predicted, but one season isn’t a trend and 0 made lofty promises and predictions so he needs to deliver in 2019.
This post was edited on 1/25/19 at 4:49 am
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