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re: For those who keep repeating that Micah Gibbs "works for free," you're wrong
Posted on 4/2/17 at 3:40 pm to LSURussian
Posted on 4/2/17 at 3:40 pm to LSURussian
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Gibbs is compensated for his part in helping to organize and participate in the LSU baseball camps and he also (eta: may or may not) receive a stipend from the baseball fan booster's club.
I can tell you being paid by the boosters would be illegal.
I can also tell you the other coaches, especially CPM, will take a solid chunk of camp money. It's not as much as you think and is also taxed about 40%.
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Posted on 4/2/17 at 3:50 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:Why is it illegal since a volunteer coach is not a university or state government employee?
I can tell you being paid by the boosters would be illegal.
I'm not saying you're wrong, just trying to determine what's the principle that would make it illegal.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 3:54 pm to doubleb
quote:Except that Mainieri, Cain, Gibbs and Ochinko all played baseball for LSU?
None of our coaches have La. roots
I mean we can't have it both ways. We can't criticize the coaching staff for all being products of LSU and then turn around and criticize them for not having connections to Louisiana.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 3:58 pm to LSURussian
Gibbs is to Mainieri as Cam Cameron was to Les Miles.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 4:04 pm to Number 31
quote:Not even close to a valid comparison.
Gibbs is to Mainieri as Cam Cameron was to Les Miles.
Your post is an example of an LSU fan who just wants to complain, i.e., Catastrophe Syndrome, as Saban claimed what LSU fans have.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 4:05 pm to doubleb
quote:Okay, thanks.
Russian I believe you are correct about what Skip did because other sports did the same things; however, somewhere around Saban's time in BR the NCAA changed the rules xnd I believe that now it is not permitted.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 4:31 pm to LSURussian
If he's being paid by the boosters it's similar to a student athlete. It would have to be for work outside of baseball and the pay must be considered the standard pay for whatever service is being done.
A booster cannot pay a coach for baseball ... Competitive advantage.
A booster cannot pay a coach for baseball ... Competitive advantage.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 4:34 pm to LSURussian
Even if he's making 50k from camps (which would be stupid high) ... After taxes he's coming in at 30-35k.
He's not exactly knocking it out of the park financially and thus probably doesn't warrant as much criticism as is tossed his way.
And if I had to guess, he's not making near 50k on camps alone.
He's not exactly knocking it out of the park financially and thus probably doesn't warrant as much criticism as is tossed his way.
And if I had to guess, he's not making near 50k on camps alone.
This post was edited on 4/2/17 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 4/2/17 at 4:38 pm to LSURussian
Not illegal under the law, but not legal under NCAA rules.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 4:42 pm to LSURussian
None grew up or played HS baseball in La.
Of course They have LSU roots, ties to PM, Etc but that's it.
Maybe I should have been more clear, but none had contacts in La. HS baseball, of JC baseball.
Of course They have LSU roots, ties to PM, Etc but that's it.
Maybe I should have been more clear, but none had contacts in La. HS baseball, of JC baseball.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 4:44 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:So, it's not illegal in the sense that it's against the law, you're saying, as doubleb did, that it's a NCAA prohibition now, right?
If he's being paid by the boosters it's similar to a student athlete. It would have to be for work outside of baseball and the pay must be considered the standard pay for whatever service is being done.
A booster cannot pay a coach for baseball ... Competitive advantage.
Okay if that's true, but a volunteer coach is not a university salaried coach and is not comparable to a student, IMO. Of course, the NCAA doesn't exactly use simple logic or common sense in order to control their members.....
And it's common practice for official sponsors of a school to pay coaches for their radio and TV shows. It's considered part of the coaches' total comp in their contract even though the pay does not come from the university itself.
Very confusing....
Posted on 4/2/17 at 4:47 pm to LSURussian
The idea was to disconnect boosters from coaches. Booster groups are NCAA regulated.
Coaches can and do get outside income.
Coaches can and do get outside income.
This post was edited on 4/2/17 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 4/2/17 at 4:48 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:I agree. I doubt the volunteer coach gets anywhere near $50k from the camps. My best guess is in the $25k to $30k range. But that's still not "working for free."
Even if he's making 50k from camps (which would be stupid high) ... After taxes he's coming in at 30-35k.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 4:51 pm to LSURussian
It's against NCAA rules, yes.
You're really over thinking it. A volunteer coach is supposed to be just that, an unpaid volunteer.
The NCAA has imposed strict regulations to keep LSU, and other major programs, from gaining a competitive advantage.
You're really over thinking it. A volunteer coach is supposed to be just that, an unpaid volunteer.
The NCAA has imposed strict regulations to keep LSU, and other major programs, from gaining a competitive advantage.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 4:52 pm to LSURussian
Not working for free, but not making enough to have his feet to the fire either.
He's not Les Miles making millions every year to be average.
He's a young coach attempting to climb the ladder and making jack shite in the process. Not to mention he's working 7 days a week right now.
He's not Les Miles making millions every year to be average.
He's a young coach attempting to climb the ladder and making jack shite in the process. Not to mention he's working 7 days a week right now.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 4:54 pm to LSURussian
quote:
I mean we can't have it both ways. We can't criticize the coaching staff for all being products of LSU and then turn around and criticize them for not having connections to Louisiana
I'm not criticizing them, I'm pointing that out.
Playing for LSU would be a plus, but not having contacts in HS circles or JC circles would have to be a minus.Thats all I meant.
They all would have to start from scratch in La. circles to introduce themselves to the coaches and players.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 4:56 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:I don't think I've ever been accused of doing that.
You're really over thinking it.
quote:Of course. How else are they going to make sure everyone gets a participation trophy??
The NCAA has imposed strict regulations to keep LSU, and other major programs, from gaining a competitive advantage.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 4:59 pm to LSURussian
quote:
quote:
You're really over thinking it.
I don't think I've ever been accused of doing that.
Now that is funny stuff.
Posted on 4/2/17 at 5:01 pm to doubleb
quote:I understand. But I don't think that's all that uncommon for LSU coaches, other than Orgeron.
but not having contacts in HS circles or JC circles would have to be a minus.Thats all I meant.
They all would have to start from scratch in La. circles to introduce themselves to the coaches and players.
Skip likes to tell the story that the first time he was introduced as the new LSU head baseball coach, the person introducing him said, "Let's all welcome the new LSU baseball head coach, Skip Bertram!"
Posted on 4/2/17 at 5:12 pm to LSURussian
I believe Beetle Bailey was on Skip's first staff. His roots were in La. baseball.
Cannizaro had La. roots too. Plus he had scouted La. for the pros.
But maybe it's not as important like it seems to be in football.
Cannizaro had La. roots too. Plus he had scouted La. for the pros.
But maybe it's not as important like it seems to be in football.
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