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re: For those of you wanting to hear a real coach talk
Posted on 8/8/12 at 3:18 pm to lsusteve1
Posted on 8/8/12 at 3:18 pm to lsusteve1
quote:Agreed.
That's fine....but no need to bash Miles in the process. If Chavis is such a "real" coach (which I agree with by the way)....then it reflects on Miles pretty well since he stays here to Coach.......yes?
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Posted on 8/8/12 at 3:29 pm to ForeLSU
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was clearly about Miles...
He's always been in that group of fans who just doesn't like Les and it doesn't have anything to do with results/performance. The fact that Miles makes no attempt to carry himself like Saban drives some fans absolutely up the wall.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 3:49 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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We all know you posted this to bash Miles just like you always do. Then you even praise Richt's communication skills. You can keep that shite coach and his press communication skills thank you very much.
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This is how it's done. This guy knows his players and what he's doing, he excudes confidence. How is he not a head coach? Pay attention Les.
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It was actually praise for Chavis. Lots of head coaches provide a good evaluation of their players in the press. I live in UGA and Richt is on the air all of the time, and does a real good job of dealing with the press and just talking plain football talk.
We all know you posted this to bash Miles just like you always do. Then you even praise Richt's communication skills. You can keep that shite coach and his press communication skills thank you very much.
Posted on 8/9/12 at 6:50 am to Tiger_n_ATL
You make me sick! Your dislike of Les Miles must cause you a great deal of pain. Who chose Chavis? Who "forced" Chavis to come to LSU? Who's forcing him to stay? Who gave him a big raise? I truly feel sorry for you.
Posted on 8/9/12 at 8:45 am to deaconscholar
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Ever hear a Saban press conference? Come on, head coaches never say shite. Your post is nothing but another pot shot at Miles.
this.
this is an "always loves the backup QB" mentality.
The Chief is great, so is Miles.
Miles doesn't like to give stuff away. he's more calculating than the haters give him credit for.
Posted on 8/9/12 at 8:48 am to TDTGodfather
the replies in this thread restore my faith in the tiger rant 
Posted on 8/9/12 at 10:01 am to Rocket
quote:I actually have thousands of posts supporting Miles up until about 2009, and even some since then.
He's always been in that group of fans who just doesn't like Les and it doesn't have anything to do with results/performance.
quote:Really has nothing to do with Saban, but again, thanks for playing. It was really about how Miles could take notes from Chavis about his communications skills and improve. Has nothing to do with W/L record, hating someone, or any of the other petty comments in this thread that have nothing to do with the original post.
The fact that Miles makes no attempt to carry himself like Saban drives some fans absolutely up the wall.
Posted on 8/9/12 at 10:03 am to deaconscholar
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You make me sick! Your dislike of Les Miles must cause you a great deal of pain. Who chose Chavis? Who "forced" Chavis to come to LSU? Who's forcing him to stay? Who gave him a big raise? I truly feel sorry for you.
This is the point of the thread
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This is you
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Posted on 8/9/12 at 10:12 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Has nothing to do with W/L record, hating someone, or any of the other petty comments in this thread that have nothing to do with the original post.
So you wouldn't consider your thread title "petty". A "real" coach???
You could have said "For those of you wanting to hear real coach talk" or "For those of you wanting to hear a coach talk real" if you really just wanted to make a point about Miles' speaking style or ability.
But no, your thread title says it all. So, thanks for playing.
Enjoy another year of refusing to enjoy our success in frustrated silence as we roll through the SEC again, and wait to jump back on the "See I told you Miles is an idiot!!!" train as it fires up it's engines after our next loss, whenever that may be.
Hopefully sometime in fall of 2013.
:fearthehat: Posted on 8/9/12 at 11:00 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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I actually have thousands of posts supporting Miles up until about 2009, and even some since then.
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You have even more posts criticizing him, and for things that don't really have much to do with the way the football team plays. It was obvious years ago that you just don't like the guy. Because if Saban had the same results over the past 7 seasons, you wouldn't have as much criticism as you've reserved for Miles.
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Really has nothing to do with Saban
Yeah, it really does because he followed Saban and Saban was very popular with our fans and in large part because of the way he carried himself. He carried himself as if he was in charge and in pursuit of perfection and that Miles doesn't carry himself that way appears to drive you crazy. And if you're not a fan of Miles because of the way he carries himself, I'm not going to berate you. But please don't come on here pretending that your problem with him is the results. You are clearly not a fan of the guy and that's your prerogative.
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but again, thanks for playing
You got busted criticizing Miles(inadvertently or not) over some petty bullshite at the wrong time(after coming off a national title appearance and coming into the season with a #1 ranking in most polls) and people finally called you out on it. It didn't go over as well as you thought. And now you're backtracking.
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It was really about how Miles could take notes from Chavis about his communications skills and improve
It was a shot at Miles and if it was as sincere as you are now trying ot make it, you could have gone about it very differently. But you didn't. Because it wasn't as sincere as you're trying to make it.
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Has nothing to do with W/L record, hating someone, or any of the other petty comments in this thread that have nothing to do with the original post.
Nobody said you hated him(but your criticism was petty). You just don't like him and there are things about him that obviously drive you crazy. And if you are not a fan of him by now, it has to be because of something personal. It can't be the results/performance because that is there. You wouldn't criticize Saban for the same results. Your entire history of criticism of him has been about stuff like what this thread is about that is not all that important in the grand scheme of things to most people. But these petty things seem to be very important to you.
You're not the only one though. There is a group of posters on here who seem to be frustrated with Miles because he hasn't attempted to fill the void that was left by Saban as the messiah. Some fans need that.
Miles can only be himself. If he tried to be the hardass all the time like Saban, he probably couldn't get away with it and his tenure here would have been over a long time ago. Saban's way is very successful but it's not the only way. I was just saying in a thread the other day about how Saban commands respect from the media and Les doesn't and it makes a major difference in the way the media writes/talks about them. And it works with the fans just as well.
But you need to ask yourself what is most important to you.....results or trying to be a hardass in public? Because the results are there and if Miles tried to be anything other than himself, his tenure here would have been over a long time ago. If you need Les Miles to be a football god, a messiah, someone you can live vicariously through, as it appears you do(and you're not the only poster on here who needs that from him), then that's your issue and you are going to be unhappy as long as he is here and that's your problem, nobody else's.
Posted on 8/9/12 at 11:01 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Posted on 8/9/12 at 11:43 am to Rocket
Rocket, good points all except you are wrong about a lot of things:
It has nothing to do with Saban. That's a knee jerk reaction and attempt to deflect.
My criticism has been about the way the team plays, not just from me, but from many others on here and in the media, so I would say it was justified. Is hero worship now the only thing that is allowed?
It's not petty to me, otherwise I would not have posted it. Just because you don't agree now that POV is not valid? Interesting.
Save the pseudo psycho-babble internet analysis for someone else. If I turned that same analysis back on you, it would go something like this: Why is sooo important to you that everybody like Les Miles and agree with everything that he does? Are you like this in real life? Does everyone have to like you and if you don't you whine like a girl? Why do you take it so personally when it's not about you? Why can't you handle any criticism of anything- even when it is couched with compliments? Do you live so vicariously through Les and the football team that anything that is said about them immediately becomes a cause for you to trumpet on the internet and 'demand apologies' from all those who said it so that you can look like a hero? If so, I would say that's your issue and you are going to have to live with that and you will always be unhappy.
It has nothing to do with Saban. That's a knee jerk reaction and attempt to deflect.
My criticism has been about the way the team plays, not just from me, but from many others on here and in the media, so I would say it was justified. Is hero worship now the only thing that is allowed?
It's not petty to me, otherwise I would not have posted it. Just because you don't agree now that POV is not valid? Interesting.
Save the pseudo psycho-babble internet analysis for someone else. If I turned that same analysis back on you, it would go something like this: Why is sooo important to you that everybody like Les Miles and agree with everything that he does? Are you like this in real life? Does everyone have to like you and if you don't you whine like a girl? Why do you take it so personally when it's not about you? Why can't you handle any criticism of anything- even when it is couched with compliments? Do you live so vicariously through Les and the football team that anything that is said about them immediately becomes a cause for you to trumpet on the internet and 'demand apologies' from all those who said it so that you can look like a hero? If so, I would say that's your issue and you are going to have to live with that and you will always be unhappy.
Posted on 8/9/12 at 11:55 am to Rocket
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Rocket
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But you need to ask yourself what is most important to you.....results or trying to be a hardass in public? Because the results are there and if Miles tried to be anything other than himself
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Tiger_n_ATL
You are a sad excuse for a Tiger fan.
Posted on 8/9/12 at 12:22 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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My criticism has been about the way the team plays
So wining isn't enough for you? You have to dictate on the process as well?
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not just from me, but from many others on here and in the media
I love a man that thinks for himself. What other decisions in your life do you depend on others on here (
) and the media to make for you? What about those in the media and on here that don't spend their lives criticising? Do you factor them into your decisions at all, or do you just drift to the negative? quote:
Is hero worship now the only thing that is allowed?
Do you know the difference between justified criticism and nit picking for the sake of nit picking?
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It's not petty to me, otherwise I would not have posted it. Just because you don't agree now that POV is not valid? Interesting.
It seems that you are guilty of the same thing. Are critical posts the only valid ones in your POV?
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Why is sooo important to you that everybody like Les Miles and agree with everything that he does?
Why is it so important to you that you point out every tiny thing you perceive as a flaw?
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Are you like this in real life? Does everyone have to like you and if you don't you whine like a girl? Why do you take it so personally when it's not about you? Why can't you handle any criticism of anything- even when it is couched with compliments? Do you live so vicariously through Les and the football team that anything that is said about them immediately becomes a cause for you to trumpet on the internet and 'demand apologies' from all those who said it so that you can look like a hero
Answer this part about yourself. Why do you feel the need to offer slim praise as a lead in to criticism.
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If so, I would say that's your issue and you are going to have to live with that and you will always be unhappy.
Again look in the mirror. If you can't be happy with the current state of the LSU football program and its leader then what would make you happy? If you feel the drive to have to pick out the slightest little things to bitch about, what will ever make you happy?
Posted on 8/9/12 at 12:27 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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It has nothing to do with Saban. That's a knee jerk reaction and attempt to deflect
I think it's very correct and something you are reluctant to admit. Anybody who followed Saban was going to have a tough time not just because of his results but because of the way he presented himself. That was largely the reason he was so popular with fans. And it's a major reason why he's popular with Bama fans now. And it's a major reason why the media talked about himself respectfully, for the most part, in a way the media hasn't talked about Miles.
Why can I say all of this? Because I am one of the first people to admit that I'm not crazy about how he handles himself in front of the press. But I don't think he deserves to be criticized for that. I think it's unfair and I think it's largely unimportant. The results are there. We hired him to continue the success we had going under Saban's tenure and for the most part, he's done just that.
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My criticism has been about the way the team plays,
I've been reading this site for a long time and most of the criticism you've reserved for Miles has to do with the way he way he carries himself and how it is so different from Saban.
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hero worship now the only thing that is allowed?
Absolutely not. That's a pretty far jump. It's not like this is the first time you've criticized Miles. There are people who are always going to respond to any criticism of Miles that is unfair/undeserved.
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It's not petty to me, otherwise I would not have posted it
It's petty to anyone who is a football guy.
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Just because you don't agree now that POV is not valid? Interesting.
I think the things you have criticized him for are largely unimportant in the grand scheme of things. He's never going to lose his job because you're not satisfied with how he carries himself in front of the media. That's why it's largely unimportant.
Does he hire good assistant coaches, recruit good players, and have his team prepared to win most game days? Absolutely. Is he perfect? Absolutely not. No coach is. He's had way more success here than I ever thought he'd have.
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Save the pseudo psycho-babble internet analysis for someone else.
I might think about that when you quit criticizing him for bullshite things. And you've done a lot of criticizing of him over bullshite things(for YEARS) and that is unfair. Or you can just come on out and admit you're not a fan of his ways........that you're unhappy that he doesn't try to be more like Saban.
If you're just not a fan of the guy, then admit it. I'm not going to berate you. Sorry, I just don't think you'd ever criticize Saban for the same results.
Posted on 8/9/12 at 12:28 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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This post was edited on 8/9/12 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 8/9/12 at 12:29 pm to Gray Tiger
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If you can't be happy with the current state of the LSU football program and its leader then what would make you happy?
There will always by a large contingent of LSU fans that will never accept Miles, for whatever their reasons are. He is the most polarizing coach in the country.
There needs to be an anti-Miles board where we can discuss these things. Maybe the SEC Rant is a safe place for the pro-LSU anti-Miles Tiger fanbase, without being subjected to the hatred of the rant. We like you guys, we just disagree with you.
Posted on 8/9/12 at 12:39 pm to Gray Tiger
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If you can't be happy with the current state of the LSU football program and its leader then what would make you happy? If you feel the drive to have to pick out the slightest little things to bitch about, what will ever make you happy?
Only Saban or another coaches who carries himself like Saban and does things just like Saban. Only someone who can come in and command respect from everyone and be a complete control freak.
Bama fans will go through this with their next coach.
Posted on 8/9/12 at 12:39 pm to Lloyd Christmas
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He is the most polarizing coach in the country.
The most? I'd like to see some data to back that up.
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There needs to be an anti-Miles board where we can discuss these things
Maybe Chicken will set one up for you. Call it the Dementia Board.
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without being subjected to the hatred of the rant
The way I read it there is more pure hatred flowing from the anti side than the pro side. We pro Mles types don't hate you. We pity you maybe, but not hate.
Posted on 8/9/12 at 12:41 pm to Lloyd Christmas
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There will always by a large contingent of LSU fans that will never accept Miles
Just like there will be Bama fans who will never accept their next coach, even if he is successful. And they will be unhappy. ANd they will be the losers.
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