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re: For everyone blaming CPM for pulling Bouman Sunday, please read this
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:41 am to PurpleAndGold86
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:41 am to PurpleAndGold86
Bouman's not a freshman. JUCO transfer.
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Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:42 am to monsterballads
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Each game is different. Nola got lit up like a Christmas tree early Friday night and settled down.
Correct. Every game and every player is different.
Because of Nola's ability to DOMINATE a game with strikeouts and 95 MPH fastballs and swings and misses and top 10 stuff, he has earned the right to stay in games longer. You might be pissed off until 2016 and might not like it, but it is what it is. Same reason why PM is going to have his mind made up that he is taking a kid like Bouman out of a game before he even leaves the dugout, but he is going to give Nola a chance to stay in a game longer by talking to him.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:43 am to PurpleAndGold86
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Him and Dunn know the pitchers better than you do.
Of course they do. But we also have eyes. He was pitching a shut out! And he got pulled for a sub par pitcher.
Mainieri wanted Mccune to be a weekend starter years ago but he always got shelled. Like he did Sunday. Mccune pitching well like he did against Florida is the exception not the rule.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:44 am to PurpleAndGold86
You don't have to throw hard to win games. Not every pitcher is a Nolan Ryan. Its about keeping the hitters off balance and that was what Bouman was doing. I'd rather CPM say he got us this far, and my gut feeling was to stay with the kid. Not say, well he only goes this many of this and we only let him throw this many pitches. Thats bull shite. Like I said I would hate to play for a coach that believes more in statistics than heart. Well, in this case, CPM has a lot more time to go over all those statistics.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:44 am to Godfather1
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Bouman's not a freshman. JUCO transfer.
I stand corrected on that then. I thought he was a freshman.
Still doesn't change anything. He is still in his first year in the SEC and his stuff is still the same. Bouman isn't going to be a dominant pitcher that goes out there and can face a lineup 3 and 4 times.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:46 am to monsterballads
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He was pitching a shut out!
This doesn't mean anything. Lincecum got pulled the other day against the Cubs and he was throwing a no hitter.
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Mccune pitching well like he did against Florida is the exception not the rule.
I am not going to argue that with you. I don't think McCune should have been in the game in the 8th inning.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:46 am to monsterballads
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monsterballads
For everyone blaming CPM for pulling Bouman Sunday, please read this
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6 innings was his limit.
I think having a preset # of pitches was a silly thing to get wrapped up in sunday night when your starter was CRUISING. Go with the hot hand until he's not hot anymore.
Exactly. I wish to God PM had let Bouman at least ATTEMPT to get through one more inning, then go with Broussard in the 8th and 9th. McCune would have never seen the field and we'd be talking about matchups with the Horns next weekend
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:47 am to PurpleAndGold86
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Bouman isn't going to be a dominant pitcher that goes out there and can face a lineup 3 and 4 times.
why not? he's never been allowed to.
how do you know this?
how does ANYONE know that? even the coaches.
he's never been allowed to pitch more than 6 innings all year.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:48 am to VernonPLSUfan
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You don't have to throw hard to win games.
Never said you did. Poche doesn't throw hard. High 80's. But he can get guys to swing and miss. His stuff is better than Bouman's. There is no debating that.
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Its about keeping the hitters off balance and that was what Bouman was doing
Agree 100%. That is all pitching is. Bouman did a FANTASTIC job of that for 6 innings on Saturday.
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Not say, well he only goes this many of this and we only let him throw this many pitches.
I don't think he took him out based on the pitch count. Bouman has thrown as many as 90 pitches in starts this year.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:49 am to PurpleAndGold86
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This doesn't mean anything.
a pitcher throwing a shut out, through 6 innings, and 62 pitches doesn't mean anything?
ok, we're just going to have to agree to disagree.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:51 am to monsterballads
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why not? he's never been allowed to. how do you know this? how does ANYONE know that? even the coaches.
His stuff. Plain and simple. There are very few guys that go out there and top out at 83 or 84 MPH and become DOMINANT pitchers that can successfully mow hitters down for 8 or 9 innings. It just doesn't happen very often.
The coaches see his stuff in practice everyday. We can agree that Dunn is a good pitching coach yes?
Don't you think that if Dunn is such a great pitching coach he can tell the limitations on the ability that a particular kid has? That's what makes him so damn good. He knows how to use his pitchers and know what they can and can't do.
Bouman may have gotten through the 7th inning on 8 pitches, but that is not what the staff is comfortable with him doing. ESPECIALLY in a 1-0 game.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:53 am to monsterballads
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a pitcher throwing a shut out, through 6 innings, and 62 pitches doesn't mean anything? ok, we're just going to have to agree to disagree.
Look, I'm not saying I liked the decision at the time. And I'm not saying there is NO way Bouman could have thrown 7 innings.
I'm giving you the rationalization for their line of thinking during the outing.
Again, if you choose to disagree with it and not like it that's fine. But at least you can understand what they were thinking when they decided to take the kid out. It isn't like it was some horrendously stupid decision based on nothing.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:54 am to PurpleAndGold86
Yep, this had everything to do with Houston turning the lineup over for the 3rd time and CPM feeling Bouman would not be as effective after the hitters have seen him twice.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:55 am to PurpleAndGold86
Practice! We talking about practice. We not even talking about a real game. We talking about practice?
Tom Glavine and Greg Maddox disagree all the way to the Hall of Fame.
Will never know if Bouman can dominate thru 8 or 9 with CPM.
Tom Glavine and Greg Maddox disagree all the way to the Hall of Fame.
Will never know if Bouman can dominate thru 8 or 9 with CPM.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:56 am to PurpleAndGold86
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But at least you can understand what they were thinking when they decided to take the kid out.
I get their thought process, it doesn't mean it was very smart. clearly it was the wrong decision as LSU will be sitting at home, like me and you.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:57 am to UpToPar
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CPM feeling Bouman would not be as effective after the hitters have seen him twice.
so paul has no faith in bouman, but all the faith in mccune. I'm just baffled, honestly.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:58 am to monsterballads
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I get their thought process, it doesn't mean it was very smart. clearly it was the wrong decision as LSU will be sitting at home, like me and you.
This presupposes that bouman wouldn't have got lit up if he went back out there. I don't know that going to Cune there was the mistake as much as leaving Cune in too long in the 8th was. IMO CPM should have went to Broussard after the first batter in the 8th.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:59 am to monsterballads
And Cartwright.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:00 am to monsterballads
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it doesn't mean it was very smart. clearly it was the wrong decision as LSU
You really can't say this either.
We surrendered the lead in the 8th inning. McCune had already thrown one shutout inning. I don't think McCune should have been sent out for the 8th inning. I think you go matchups with Person and Fury to bridge it to Broussard. Or go Broussard for 8th and 9th.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 10:00 am to monsterballads
The only decision I take any issue with is not putting Broussard in with 1 out and 2 on in the 8th.
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