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Football Philosophy ?: Delay of Game On 4th Down
Posted on 1/23/20 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 1/23/20 at 3:47 pm
Purely a philosophical question - during the title game, on Clemsons second punt (I believe), Clemson wound the clock down and was assessed a delay of game penalty. It was done on purpose by Clemson and created more space to drop a punt inside the 10.
Not second guessing anyone, and not complaining at all - but I found myself wondering why coaches don’t decline that penalty. The penalty was taken intentionally for a strategic purpose/advantage. Why not thwart the strategy and decline the penalty?
Prob good arguments on both sides.
Not second guessing anyone, and not complaining at all - but I found myself wondering why coaches don’t decline that penalty. The penalty was taken intentionally for a strategic purpose/advantage. Why not thwart the strategy and decline the penalty?
Prob good arguments on both sides.
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Posted on 1/23/20 at 3:49 pm to DrEdgeLSU
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I found myself wondering why coaches don’t decline that penalty.
Some coaches do. I think O was betting on a college punter not being able to duplicate his effort from the first punt.
ETA: I don't remember the distance, but he may have also accepted it to take the fake out of play.
This post was edited on 1/23/20 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 1/23/20 at 3:49 pm to DrEdgeLSU
Any chance to push a team further towards their own endzone seems like something a defense wouldn’t pass up.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 3:53 pm to DrEdgeLSU
Were they in fake territory? I can't remember the distance to a first. Backing them up lowers the probability of a fake maybe.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 3:53 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
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Any chance to push a team further towards their own endzone seems like something a defense wouldn’t pass up.
But in this situation the punter is squeezed too close and wants a little more room to place his punt and have it downed inside the 20.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 3:58 pm to DrEdgeLSU
Typically there are two reasons for a defense to take the penalty. One is to reduce the opportunity for a fake. The other is based on down/distance, you remove the ability for them to get a first down off of a defensive penalty like offsides.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 4:01 pm to DrEdgeLSU
You want the punt. Being an a-hole could have you see defending a 4th and 3 instead of receiving a punt on 4th and 8.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 4:01 pm to DrEdgeLSU
quote:
found myself wondering why coaches don’t decline that penalty.
I believe they can't. That's a dead ball foul.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 4:06 pm to TigerMikeAtl
quote:you can decline any penalty
believe they can't. That's a dead ball foul.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 4:08 pm to TigerMikeAtl
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A penalty is completed when it is accepted, declined or cancelled according to rule, or when the choice is obvious to the referee. Any penalty may be declined, but a disqualified player must leave the game whether the penalty is accepted or declined (Rule 2-27-12).
Rule 10-1-1 NCAA
Posted on 1/23/20 at 4:17 pm to DrEdgeLSU
So, theoretically, you decline the penalty. The penalty is then complete and the play clock should start again. Then the team with the ball just sits there again and get another delay of game. Then you decline again. Then what?
I think there's a rule for "unfair act" or somesuch like that that would cover this kind of stuff that gives the Referee immense latitude in those situations, up to and including awarding points and ending games to punish whichever team is deemed to be acting in an extremely unfair manner.
I think there's a rule for "unfair act" or somesuch like that that would cover this kind of stuff that gives the Referee immense latitude in those situations, up to and including awarding points and ending games to punish whichever team is deemed to be acting in an extremely unfair manner.
This post was edited on 1/23/20 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 1/23/20 at 4:21 pm to DrEdgeLSU
wanst it border line field goal distance as well?
Posted on 1/23/20 at 4:23 pm to TigerstuckinMS
quote:the refs can forfeit the game if an offensive team refuses to snap the ball
theoretically, you decline the penalty. The penalty is then complete and the play clock should start again. Then the team with the ball just sits there again and get another delay of game. Then you decline again. Then what?
ETA. Sorry you already mentioned this later in your post
This post was edited on 1/23/20 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 1/23/20 at 4:30 pm to TigerstuckinMS
In one of the pro games last weekend, after two intentional delay of game penalties both benches were told the next penalty would be 15 yards
Posted on 1/23/20 at 4:38 pm to dadof4grads
That's completely false.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 4:40 pm to DrEdgeLSU
For the record, I don’t think Clemson took a delay on purpose. They were checking for a possible fake punt. It was 4th and 3 and they spent a lot of time looking at our alignment. By the time they decided to punt, the clock was winding down.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 4:41 pm to tigerfoot
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you can decline any penalty
Even a false start? Not sure about that. No, really, I meant I'm not sure if you can decline a false start. If you can't, then if I'm Clemson, after declining delay of game I'd have a lineman intentionally false start.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 4:42 pm to tigerfoot
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You want the punt. Being an a-hole could have you see defending a 4th and 3 instead of receiving a punt on 4th and 8.
this. taking the penalty kills any chance the other team might have ran the fake or changed the mind and went for it on 4th.
definitely worth the risk vs that 5 yards making the punter a better punter.
Posted on 1/23/20 at 4:45 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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So, theoretically, you decline the penalty. The penalty is then complete and the play clock should start again. Then the team with the ball just sits there again and get another delay of game. Then you decline again. Then what?
I think there's a rule for "unfair act" or somesuch like that that would cover this kind of stuff that gives the Referee immense latitude in those situations, up to and including awarding points and ending games to punish whichever team is deemed to be acting in an extremely unfair manner.
assuming you didnt watch the titans/patriots game WC weekend?
NFL has baked in rules for this scenario, but not sure about college. (titans manipulated the rules using a false start at 2 sec on the playclock, INSTEAD of getting a delay)
This post was edited on 1/23/20 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 1/23/20 at 4:48 pm to DrEdgeLSU
Because if you decline the penalty, then jump offsides, you’re possibly giving them a first down.
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