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re: Flynn/Russell, Hester/Scott

Posted on 4/22/09 at 1:01 pm to
Posted by TigerNlc
Chocolate City
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 4/22/09 at 1:01 pm to
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THIS IS STILL GOING ON


Its too much fun trying to get under these guys skin. I think they would take a load from JR if the chance was given to them.
Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 4/22/09 at 1:07 pm to
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It wouldn't have got that far if we stop them in overtime on 4th and 10 with one of the worst Qb's under center in the SEC bud


He actually played pretty well against Ark all things considered, but if some of you tards are going to attribute losing to top 10 teams on the road to JR, you bet I'll do the same for Flynn (minus the top 10 part, of course, since 07 LSU lost to scrubs).

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Look how many points the defense gave up in 2006 and 2007.


Each team outscored their opponents by 20 points. While LSU 06 gave up 40 yards less a game, LSU 07 gained 30 more yards a game and scored almost a TD more per game.

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They gave up less even against "greater" competition like you said.


That's because 06 was a better team, most of which is due to the QB. A lot of games the 07 team played in are inflated statistically because LSU jumped out early and got complacent (i.e. Ole Miss, Ohio St.)
Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
25341 posts
Posted on 4/22/09 at 1:08 pm to
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Its too much fun trying to get under these guys skin. I think they would take a load from JR if the chance was given to them.


Taking a load from JR < taking it up the arse from Flynn IMO FWIW GTFO FYI
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161245 posts
Posted on 4/22/09 at 1:12 pm to
Ok in the grand scheme of life, does it matter who is better?
I mean hell JR was the best physical freak of a QB LSU ever had and probably ever will have...
Flynn won a NC

I would call it a wash...

If you wanna get serious Josh Booty would be the best QB LSU ever had, just some bad coaching.
Posted by TigerNlc
Chocolate City
Member since Jun 2006
33094 posts
Posted on 4/22/09 at 1:19 pm to
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That's because 06 was a better team, most of which is due to the QB. A lot of games the 07 team played in are inflated statistically because LSU jumped out early and got complacent (i.e. Ole Miss, Ohio St.)


I agree with you the 06 was better but it wasn't from the QB position but I'll give you that. Say it was somewhat better from the QB position it still wasn't what made that team better.

I'm not a flamer over MF like you are over JR. I don't think I have said anything negative about JR even though I don't think very highly of him. Its like you take it personal when someone prefers MF over JR.
Posted by TigerNlc
Chocolate City
Member since Jun 2006
33094 posts
Posted on 4/22/09 at 1:21 pm to
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I mean hell JR was the best physical freak of a QB LSU ever had and probably ever will have...


I think Dorsey would have something to say about that.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161245 posts
Posted on 4/22/09 at 1:23 pm to
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I mean hell JR was the best physical freak of a QB LSU ever had and probably ever will have...



I think Dorsey would have something to say about that.




I doubt that one... especially since Dorsey didn't play QB.
Posted by TigerNlc
Chocolate City
Member since Jun 2006
33094 posts
Posted on 4/22/09 at 1:26 pm to
He is a physical freak though
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161245 posts
Posted on 4/22/09 at 1:29 pm to
Reading comprehension my friend, reading comprehension... I did say
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JR was the best physical freak of a QB
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 4/22/09 at 1:35 pm to
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He actually played pretty well against Ark all things considered


Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33331 posts
Posted on 4/22/09 at 11:43 pm to
Nice load of crap you got there. You highlight the one game where Flynn played with a busted shoulder (which forced him to sit out the next week’s SECCG?)

Does JR have an excuse for, 44-76 497yds 1TD 3int, 3 fumbles

3 interceptions & 3 fumbles? WTF? In the only two losses of that year? Those are JLee type numbers, right? Yet you choose to belittle Flynn, who with a busted wing, still managed 3TD, 0 ints, 0 fumbles.

If you can let JR slide for single-handedly losing two games for LSU, then you need to extend that courtesy to every LSU QB.
This post was edited on 4/23/09 at 1:54 am
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161245 posts
Posted on 4/23/09 at 5:53 am to
I extend that courtesy to every LSU QB... its not their fault, it is the refs, media, fans, coaches fault
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 4/23/09 at 6:09 am to
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RobbBobb


hey cocksmoke, I just posted the stats.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49047 posts
Posted on 4/23/09 at 10:47 am to
This really isn't debatable. Russell and Flynn had very, very separate rolls. Russell had to win every game for LSU. He was the cornerstone of the offense. Flynn had to not lose the game for LSU. He was a game manager, and he did a good job at it. However, he wasn't nearly the QB that Russell was.

In 2006, LSU was a one dimisional offense until Keiland started playing really well at the very end of the season. There was no running game against Auburn and Florida. If Les and Jimbo stopped running the ball on every first and second down after the first half instead of with 7:00 minutes left, we win that game hands down.

We caught a really bad break at Florida (the non existant hold by Big Herm) which stopped us from going up 14 - 0 with 5:00 left. After that we lost all momentum and it started to snowball.

Flynn had a better O-line (I'm not sure which yahoo posted otherwise, but that was a ridiculous statement), better running game, better TE, and better offensive coordinator.

Russell had the better receiving corp. and better defense.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 4/23/09 at 10:50 am to
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He was a game manager


LSU hasn't had a game manager in a real long time. Flynn made some great plays for LSU here but also threw plenty of interceptions. He was far too talented to be considered a game manager
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 4/23/09 at 11:26 am to
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LSU hasn't had a game manager in a real long time. Flynn made some great plays for LSU here but also threw plenty of interceptions. He was far too talented to be considered a game manager


agreed.

for the "game manager" label, he threw 11 picks as a 5th year senior.

Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 4/23/09 at 11:27 am to
who is the last game manager that we have had?

Flynn, Russell, and Davey all made big plays in almost every game
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49047 posts
Posted on 4/23/09 at 11:31 am to
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LSU hasn't had a game manager in a real long time. Flynn made some great plays for LSU here but also threw plenty of interceptions. He was far too talented to be considered a game manager


I would consider him a game manager in the sense that he was not the primary offensive weapon on the team. His job was to get the ball into the hands of playmakers and prevent turnovers.

Now, I think Flynn was an outstanding QB and I don't use the term "game manager" as an insult. With the talent LSU has, a game managing QB is probably a better fit for program. My big distinction betweem the two is that the coaches wouldn't plan an entire offensive scheme around Flynn's passing ability, but they did with Russell.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 4/23/09 at 11:36 am to
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My big distinction betweem the two is that the coaches wouldn't plan an entire offensive scheme around Flynn's passing ability, but they did with Russell.


but we didn't plan the scheme around russell. We ran the ball too many times, especially against Auburn, with no success.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33331 posts
Posted on 4/23/09 at 12:47 pm to
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I just posted the stats.

me, too

Russell - 1 TD, 3 ints, 3 fumbles (in '06 losses)

Flynn - 3 TDs, 0 ints, 0 fumbles (in '07 losses)
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