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re: Fans wanted transparency but CLM wouldn't give it
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:10 am to WackyChris
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:10 am to WackyChris
He has been transparent when it comes to on the field issues and injuries. He doesn't answer every question with coach speak. I can't think of any coaches who discuss what suspensions are actually for, they almost always say violation of team rules.
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Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:11 am to jptiger2009
quote:Like in tBinder, staying out of the OC's way.
CEO gives too much mis-information
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fans hate him
Not sure if it's hate, just some are smart enough to see through O's version of "transparency". You seem to be one of the duped.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:11 am to jptiger2009
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CEO loses to Troy, fans hate him
Fixed
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:12 am to jptiger2009
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CEO gives too much information, fans hate him
those two statements have no relation
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:12 am to jptiger2009
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Alleva and LSU took a big chance with the hire.
One way to put it
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They took an approach that could be where other programs go, and that's going with low-paid coach surrounded by the highest paid coordinators.
I don't think many (see: any) programs worth a damn will take the approach of hiring a guy with 10 career wins in 3 years as a head coach 10 years ago. Low paid HC? Maybe. But prob not one that has proven before to not have what it takes to run a program
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I'm still hopeful.
Not trying to be a dick but... why? What gives you hope about the program under Orgeron?
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 9:14 am
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:13 am to lsu2006
That too
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:13 am to RB10
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Since getting officially hired, he's probably been the least transparent coach in the nation
I did not agree with closing off practices to the media. I thought that was stupid.
I also don't understand why he let the media run with the idea that LSU was legit threat to Bama in the West. He should have been more forthcoming with the issues on the O-line. Yes, many fans recognized the concerns, but the media did not project that.
For example, I'll use Saban. I can assure that if Saban is heading into the season with a shite offense, he'll leak his concerns one way or the other.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:14 am to jptiger2009
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Alleva and LSU took a big chance with the hire. They took an approach that could be where other programs go, and that's going with low-paid coach surrounded by the highest paid coordinators
No...it's an idiotic approach that will be mirrored by no one because it's a system that never enables there to be any identity to the program and sets up a system where the program is almost perpetually "waiting 'til next year" as new coordinators get their systems in place, recruit "their guys," etc. Which never happens, because if they are any good they are moving on to better jobs as head coaches elsewhere, and the whole thing starts over again.
How anyone thought this made sense is shocking.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:15 am to GeauxTigerTM
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it's an idiotic approach that will be mirrored by no one because it's a system that never enables there to be any identity to the program and sets up a system where the program is almost perpetually "waiting 'til next year" as new coordinators get their systems in place, recruit "their guys," etc. Which never happens, because if they are any good they are moving on to better jobs as head coaches elsewhere, and the whole thing starts over again.
All
Of
This
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:20 am to lsu2006
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Not trying to be a dick but... why? What gives you hope about the program under Orgeron?
why not? Not saying that you're not, but I'm one of those who roots for my program to do well despite what may be obvious. If it doesn't work out, ok. But, I'm once again hopeful after last week. That was an important win for him, and it was a very important win for the players. As a fan, it was incredibly gratifying beating horse teeth after all that has transpired.
I was so embarrassed as a fan after the State loss, even more so than the Troy loss. The Florida win showed me that they have not given up on CEO. That can be powerful...we'll find out for sure Saturday.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:22 am to jptiger2009
Of course I want the program to succeed. LSU football is one of my favorite things on earth. And of fricking course I love winning, especially against that buck tooth assface. I guess I thought you maybe had objective arguments or reasons for your optimism about O and the program going forward. Fair enough
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 9:23 am
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:22 am to GeauxTigerTM
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How anyone thought this made sense is shocking
I never thought it made sense, but I found it interesting. And, I understand your point about the coordinators. That's why Orgeron is in a 2-year deal.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:23 am to jptiger2009
quote:You really swallowed the hook.
going with low-paid coach
Like there's value in paying a fricking fencepost $3.5m/yr, with a $12m buyout.
Well I guess at least a fencepost wouldn't meddle in something it's totally clueless about.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:24 am to jptiger2009
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That's why Orgeron is in a 2-year deal.
Except he's in a 5 year deal with a 12 million buyout (which drops to 8.5 in January).
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:24 am to jptiger2009
quote:Actually no. He came around to that to try to hit a reset with Canada.
He was pretty as a matter of fact explaining how he meddled in it during the Troy game (and maybe the State game).
If you remember he started out by questioning the personnel group on the first play of the Troy game. Throwing the 3rd string RB and his OC under the bus in one statement.
quote:Maybe he should have, we got 300 yards against the second team of Florida.
nd, it was obvious that he didn't in the Florida game.
quote:If you are ok with the initial answers being lies until he sees he is in trouble.
O pretty much answers questions
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:27 am to lsu2006
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I thought you maybe had objective arguments or reasons for your optimism about O
no, I don't think that purely exists. people think it though. Like the folks that show up to the Wednesday night show. Coach O Cajun fans that travel to that show each week are like the k-hole lady; they're fricking nut jobs with no reasonable approach. But, they're fans.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:29 am to jptiger2009
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I never thought it made sense, but I found it interesting.
I'll be the second person in the thread to tell you I'm not trying to be a dick here, but yeah...it's interesting for sure. All SORTS of stupid shite can be interesting. As a fan and booster, I'm not really interested in LSU breaking new grond by coming up with interesting approaches to run the football program. I'm interested in them doing their due diligence and setting up a system that has worked time and time again. There are almost NO sure things, but you can certainly hedge your bets by taking the more traveled road. what LSU did wasn't just risky, it essentially needed a miracle to work and it forced fans to HOPE that a guy that had run Ole Miss's program further into the ditch had turned it around by virtue of all his position coaching since then.
So we're left with posts like your that force fans into positions where they feel they need to hope that things can be better...
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That's why Orgeron is in a 2-year deal.
Don't you mean 5 with a $12,000,000 guarantee?
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 9:32 am
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:29 am to Mr. Wayne
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My problem with Miles wasn't transparency as much as it was him no longer being able to articulate an actual response.
Miles is perfectly able to articulate a coherent statement. He chose not to because the media asked him questions they knew he wouldn't answer and he enjoyed fricking with them.
If you think an 8-figure millionaire is an idiot, let's see your paycheck and compare.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:30 am to jptiger2009
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He should have been more forthcoming with the issues on the O-line.
There were no issues with the O line. We had a starting line up with more than enough experience.
NOW, is a different story. NOW we have some Oline problems.
quote:Most fans of LSU were predicting a 2 loss season as the minimum.
Yes, many fans recognized the concerns
quote:Saban will take his and beat yours and yours and beat his. Saban trots out freshmen LT and wins Championships. We put one at RG and try to claim it is reason enough to get beat by 30 by a mediocre State team.
I'll use Saban. I can assure that if Saban is heading into the season with a shite offense, he'll leak his concerns one way or the other.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:34 am to jptiger2009
Don't hate him at all. But can anyone blame us for ?'n if he's in over his head ? 4-2 and not even thru the meat of the schedule.
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