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re: FACT: The whole Country non deep South will boycott BCS Title Game

Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:02 pm to
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
68825 posts
Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:02 pm to
quote:

What do you believe the purpose of the BCS should be?


Ultimately, to procuce a national champion. You think that necessarily means evaluating and choosing the two best teams at the end of the regular season. I maintain it means pitting the two most deserving teams, based upon their body of work for the season, against each other. Alabama would be the most deserving team . . . had they not fricked up and already lost to LSU. They shouldn't get a second bite at the apple. Okie State fricked up and lost to a team they'd probably beat 8 out of 10 times. That doesn't mean they should be eliminated from playing LSU. They haven't lost to LSU.
Posted by DucksflyinPAC
Portland, Oregon
Member since Mar 2011
1872 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 1:28 am to
VOR, your bright logic is confusing the rantards...

As far as several of you asking if I supported Oregon before they lost to USC... And my answer is I did. However several assumptions would have to happen. Okie Lite would have to lose, as they were more deserving. We would have to beat USC bad... and I did feel(if we had beat USC and won out the Conference..) that UO was more deserving then Bama, even for a rematch because A)we would have played and won 10 Conference games and were Conference Champ. Bama would have played 8 and only won 7 and also were not Conference champ let alone D champ. And while LSU did beat us by more, that was the first game of the year and all CFB fans know first games of year can be super sloppy that that is not indicative to the overall quality of teams later on as they play...And well, we did not get LSU at home, but Bama did and lost there. One should not lose at home...

However I stepped away. And was never dodging that question. Even then, It does not matter to my OP and my points I made. And to that other question if I would be for a Oregon-Stanford National title game, I would easily say no way. No two teams from the same Conference should EVER play!!! Once you open this box, that could spell OSU-Mich, or Oregon-USC to control it in the future, or Texas- Okie,,, and that simply is not fair to other Conferences.

Personally if you must know, as far as my UO, I was not pushing hard for a rematch, only if between us and Bama(at the time before we lost to USC) I thought we were more deserving then Bama- if we won out as said up top...

Regardless, this post has NOTHING to do with Oregon whatsoever. I could be a Cal, WSU, BSU fan and my points would be just as valid. And nothing in my OP had ANYTHING to do with my team losing to LSU earlier this year. All such Rantards focusing in on my team, who where I am from are complete Morons!

I just believe a Maxim that no two teams should ever play in the title, as they already got a chance to settle that internally. And I really believe no team that is not a Conference Champ should be able to play. And well, there was once upon a time, back in 2007 this one coach from LSU that agreed with me and said as much and fought hard for this principle. If you have been reading my posts you will know my feelings on that matter...

As far as #1 and #2. Both are just polls, Votes, popularity contests. People act like it is written in stone they are worthy if that have that #2 behind their name. But how do they get that? I submit that the SEC does in fact get the unjust media bias. For when a team from them loses a game, they drop little, but when others lose a game, they drop much. And pre-season they are all over hyped. The nation agrees with me.

And before you go off to me about 5 BCS's in a row. Yeah, I remember last year well. My team lost by a game winning field goal, as the score was tied, as time expired. And this year, if it is indeed LSU vs Bama, SEC vs SEC.... how convenient the SEC gets a guaranteed win to continue their streak when they almost lost their streak last year...

Other have also spoken out on this, but yes that "game of the century" did indeed get high ratings. But it was anything but the game of the century. Any people group outside the SEC think differently and if a team cannot even score, they consider it a joke, a snooze feast. Sorry... that game was anything elts then the game of the Century to us not living in the deep South. You know, my team once had a super close low scoring game like that once. And you know what my fans call it? It has gone down in history as the worst game we ever did have. Just shows that different people groups see things differently.

And trust me, as another LSU poster said, the ratings will tank for LSU-Bama 2. People already saw it and they snored through it already. Watch and see...

Personally deep down inside I really do hope it is LSU and Bama. I think such a corruption of the system would kill off the BCS. And I hate the BCS...

Lastly yes my Conference leadership has been against a playoff due to the Rose Bowl situation. I am not one of them however.

I have the easiest BCS fix. Each AQ send us your one best team. Then open up 2 slots for any non AQ or Indy. Seed all teams. Keep all bowls as they are and create 8 team mini playoff with them. Only 1 best team can be sent. Winners advance. It could not be more simple. And the regular season are the normal playoffs, and each Conference send us your champ, champ game, round robin, makes no diff. That way we will never again have a great undefeated Non AQ team not have a chance like BSU, Utah, TCU. That way, a very hard Conference with lots of parity but whose top team lost once will have a chance. And all Conferences will get to battle it out in the form of sending their one champ. It really could not get more easier then this...
Posted by AlleyCat
MYOB
Member since Nov 2011
4127 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 1:32 am to
Whether CLM says he would welcome a rematch does not make him a hypocrite. He's not pushing for it! he's simply answering the questions asked to him in a very diplomatic manner. I'm sure if he was asked point blank if he thinks it's "fair" that Alabama gets to go to the BCS title game, he would answer it much the same way he did in '07. always trying to find something to pin on our coach aren't they



and fwiw. I believe it's called a NATIONAL championship. I do not hink we should play Alabama again, although it would be wonderful to beat those smug bastards one more time. No, I think we should play the winners of a different conference, and see which team is the BEST in the nation. We already know who's best in the SEC.
This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 1:34 am
Posted by DucksflyinPAC
Portland, Oregon
Member since Mar 2011
1872 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 1:35 am to
Buddy, you are totally missing my point with your coach, who i like btw. I was saying that in 2007 he gave a Maxim saying, "If a team cannot win their Conference they should not be able to play for the Title". But now, he is silent on that. And my contention is, if that was a true Maxim in 2007, why is not not still true today. And if is true today, why is he silent on it.

I went into this issue in depth. You might want to try reading back a few pages from my current post now as I give the real reason why he said it at the time and its meaning...
Posted by FrozenMonkey
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2011
1123 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 1:48 am to
Mark my words: Les Miles will NOT go on record speaking out against Bama deserving to be in the MNC because they most likely will be there anyway. Have you ever heard of the phrase "bulletin board material"? Les Miles doesn't want to say anything that the Gumps can use as motivation while preparing for LSU. Imagine Bama working out while having giant posters around the weight room saying "You don't deserve to play us - Les Miles". Dont act like it doesn't happen, because it's a classic motivation technique.
Posted by DucksflyinPAC
Portland, Oregon
Member since Mar 2011
1872 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:01 am to
You know what? You make a excellent point about Miles and perhaps him being silent is only to not fire up Bama players ect... as you said. You might indeed be very right. Or, as I said a few pages back, he could of not believed a word he uttered when he gave his maxim in 2007 and was only trying to talk his way into LSU getting in that game. I am inclined to believe the later. And well, he would for sure not want to utter it now, again, as LSU may(in theory)lose to UGA and he would shoot himself in the foot by bringing up his old Maxim.

This just ticks me off because I actually believe Miles old Maxim! It is VERY wrong for a team to not have won a lessor thing(Conference Championship) to get the honor of playing for the bigger prize the "National", I repeat, NATIONAL championship. That is why this has me ticked off. He says one thing when it benefits him, but then later pretends he did not say it...However you do bring up a very noble reason, which may be true. So I will drop it for now...Thanks for making your point.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:05 am to
quote:



Ultimately, to procuce a national champion. You think that necessarily means evaluating and choosing the two best teams at the end of the regular season. I maintain it means pitting the two most deserving teams, based upon their body of work for the season, against each other. Alabama would be the most deserving team . . . had they not fricked up and already lost to LSU. They shouldn't get a second bite at the apple.



Merely your opinion. Not all share the same. What do you say if OSU loses to OU? Who do you choose then? The two best teams deserve (based on rankings) to be in the NCG, and those two are LSU and Bama at the present time.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89811 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:06 am to
I want a one loss conference champion. If there isnt one at seasons end, give me bama. Houston nor boise deserve it over them.

You know if all the upsets took place minus stanford, they would be in over ur 2 loss pac 12 champ.
This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 2:11 am
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:07 am to
quote:

But now, he is silent on that. And my contention is, if that was a true Maxim in 2007, why is not not still true today. And if is true today, why is he silent on it.

Are you this stupid?

A coach is not going to speak out against another team in his conference. It makes the school look bad. It's not good for the conference.

It's a unique situation for two teams from the same conference to be in the discussion like they are now. Miles is quiet because he has no other choice than to be quiet. What's he supposed to do? Say Alabama doesn't deserve it, so then when LSU plays Alabama in the title game there will be an even more pissed off team on the other side of the field?

Miles is doing the only thing he should do. Staying quiet. How do you think Slive would react if Miles came out and said Alabama didn't deserve a chance? He'd be fricking pissed. Miles isn't trying to start shite with the conference to which his school is affiliated.
Posted by FrozenMonkey
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2011
1123 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:12 am to
quote:

This just ticks me off because I actually believe Miles old Maxim! It is VERY wrong for a team to not have won a lessor thing(Conference Championship) to get the honor of playing for the bigger prize the "National", I repeat, NATIONAL championship.

For what it's worth, I agree that you shouldn't be able to play for a national title if you can't even win your conference.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
290881 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:12 am to
quote:

Okie State fricked up and lost to a team they'd probably beat 8 out of 10 times



which in my opinion doesn't make them deserved to play LSU


Bama lost to LSU. In overtime. THey are pretty deserved of a rematch compared to a team that lost to freaking Iowa State.


Maybe in years past. But not this year. ITs pretty clear who the top 2 teams are.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89811 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:13 am to
Plus this playoff bullshite doesnt even make sense to me. How would you rank and seed the teams? Through the BCS?

So people want to change the bcs cus it doesnt work, yet use it to decide who gets in a playoff? Makes zero fricking sense to me.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:14 am to

quote:



For what it's worth, I agree that you shouldn't be able to play for a national title if you can't even win your conference.


BCS system apparently has no problem with it.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:15 am to
quote:

Plus this playoff bullshite doesnt even make sense to me. How would you rank and seed the teams? Through the BCS?

So people want to change the bcs cus it doesnt work, yet use it to decide who gets in a playoff? Makes zero fricking sense to me.




FBS subdivision of Div. I football NCAA is the only team sport *anywhere) I am aware of that doesn't utilize some kind of playoff.
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:17 am to
English Premier League
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:18 am to
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English Premier League




No wonder I don't watch that sport. j/k. There is one other out there. I have no clue about that league and don't know enough to comment on it.



This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 2:20 am
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:18 am to
Posted by RollTideRockStar
Member since Jan 2010
4477 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:20 am to
quote:

The whole Country non deep South will boycott BCS Title Game




quote:

I have been communicating with many blog authors all around the country


And when you say this you mean nerd virgins that live in their parent's basement right?
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89811 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:29 am to
quote:

FBS subdivision of Div. I football NCAA is the only team sport *anywhere) I am aware of that doesn't utilize some kind of playoff.


Oh no we could make it work, im strictly talking about people who say use the bcs to figure out the seeding of the playoffs. Why use the bcs when ur whole argument for a playoff is the bcs doesnt work?

Pretty much no top flight european football uses a playoff. I cant say as much for some of the lesser leagues or what not.

I guess you could say the domestic leagues would be like ur conference, and playing in the champions league would be like the playoffs. Even though you still have to go through group stages before you actually go to a 2 game "playoff" in the round of 16.

my two favorite sports dont use a playoff. go figure.

I guess thats why im not depressed for a week if the saints or braves lose.
This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 2:32 am
Posted by DucksflyinPAC
Portland, Oregon
Member since Mar 2011
1872 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:33 am to
For what it's worth... I think LSU has a incredible team this year! The very scary thing is, they may even be better next year as they are so young. I know LSU well... Thus, I am not in any way really attacking LSU as a team per say. I am attacking the notion that you have a supposedly "National" Championship which is anything but National. SEC vs SEC should be reserved for regular season play and or the SEC Championship game. And as a Non Southern Person I think I can speak for a lot of others outside, it is like the SEC is forcing the whole nation to watch an extension of the SEC Championship game all over again, excluding any other great Conference winner, or team at a chance at the big dance.

And mark my words... If it ends up being LSU-Bama... SEC Kool-aid drinkers will boast up a river on how the SEC won that game and how it has been 6 straight in a row. Yeah, no shite when eSECpn jarry rigs it to be a SEC only contest. And that will be the same as a guy showing up to the fight, but he was the only one that got invited, and then afterwords him bragging that he was winner. That is a monopoly. And while the Deep South may not have a problem with these monopolies, the rest of the nation does. And this sport stretches the whole nation, even if for a little while now the SEC's top teams are a little better then most other's top teams.

But as I said once, I really hope this corruption trick works and it ends up SEC vs SEC. That way the disgust because of that will reach fever pitch from all the other Conferences and schools and perhaps that may end up being the nail that kills the joke of a thing called the BCS.
This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 2:36 am
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