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re: Explain our desire to swing at first pitch.

Posted on 5/21/21 at 12:21 pm to
Posted by davidb104
DeRidder
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 5/21/21 at 12:21 pm to
I'm less concerned about them swinging at the first pitch than I am about their failure to adjust, and protect the plate with two strikes.
Posted by fishdoctor
Member since Feb 2018
842 posts
Posted on 5/21/21 at 12:38 pm to
Crews has the ability. Crews will most likely be one of three hitters on this team to make the majors and stay there.
This post was edited on 5/21/21 at 12:42 pm
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
19724 posts
Posted on 5/21/21 at 12:46 pm to
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It's probably the best pitch you'll see in an at bat

If I have confidence in my batters, I'd swing at any good pitch, regardless of whether it's the first pitch.

Going deep in an at-bat is fine, if you're ahead in the count. Then you're more likely to see a good pitch.

But taking a called first strike puts the batter in a bad position.

Be aggressive and swing at a good pitch, whenever it's thrown. If the pitcher knows we're likely to take the first pitch, he can relax and smooth one over the plate. I'd rather the pitcher never know what we're going to do, or better yet, I'd like him to think we're liable to swing at any pitch over the plate, so he can't relax.

Besides, what's the obsession with getting the starter out of the game early. Yes, I know it's "by the book", but it really all depends on whether the starter is effective or not in a particular game, and that varies. Besides, I'd rather score runs early and not worry about getting the starter out of the game and hope I can score late. That philosophy reminds me of Les' "wear 'em down and beat them in the 4th quarter" style of offense.

Don't overthink it - swing at good pitches and stay aggressive.
This post was edited on 5/21/21 at 12:55 pm
Posted by JackHuntQB
Shreveport
Member since Oct 2013
507 posts
Posted on 5/21/21 at 12:58 pm to
Money ball
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
30397 posts
Posted on 5/21/21 at 1:11 pm to
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Don't overthink it - swing at good pitches and stay aggressive.
Your faulty assumption is that we’re only swinging at good pitches. And just because a pitch is a strike doesn’t make it a good pitch to hit. There’s no problem with hitting early in the count as long as you get the pitch or location you’re looking for and can drive it. But we go way beyond that and have been doing so for a long time now under 4 different hitting coaches.
This post was edited on 5/21/21 at 1:11 pm
Posted by Bomont
Member since May 2021
975 posts
Posted on 5/21/21 at 2:24 pm to
I get the first pitch fast ball but from a strategy standpoint it is not smart. You want to make the pitcher earn it by throwing as many pitches as possible and try to fatigue him. Not get up there swing at first pitches so the guy can get out of the inning only throwing 4-6 pitches.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
19724 posts
Posted on 5/21/21 at 3:06 pm to
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I get the first pitch fast ball but from a strategy standpoint it is not smart. You want to make the pitcher earn it by throwing as many pitches as possible and try to fatigue him. Not get up there swing at first pitches so the guy can get out of the inning only throwing 4-6 pitches.

again, that only applies if that particular starting pitcher is MUCH better than their bullpen. And it also assume the starter has his best stuff that particular game.

That's what drives me nuts about baseball- the "conventional wisdom." How about adapting in real-time to what's occuring. Sometimes even great pitchers are a little off - so don't use the convention wisdom of trying to fatigue him -- HIT HIM and score runs early.

Trying to drive up the pitch count is similar to Les' strategy of stone-age offense to wear down the opponent so we'll win in the 4th quarter.

Just try to hit and score, early and often. Screw the pitch count, unless we're facing the second coming of Clayton Kershaw and he's on fire.

By the way, if we get more hits, it makes the pitcher throw more pitches to additional batters.

Just hit away. Besides, who wants to play (or watch) a game where your task is to not do anything. Yawn.
This post was edited on 5/21/21 at 3:08 pm
Posted by Bomont
Member since May 2021
975 posts
Posted on 5/21/21 at 5:55 pm to
Totally disagree with you. And how has CPM's strategy worked out for him these past several years?
Posted by Dudebro2
San Diego
Member since Dec 2011
8972 posts
Posted on 5/21/21 at 6:14 pm to
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Is it to see how fast we can get to 3 outs?


There are so many variables that go into answering that question. But I understand your questioning it. The general thought in baseball is the sooner you can get the starting pitcher of an opposing team out of the game the quicker success you will have offensively. And the more pitches that starting pitcher throws the more likely a quicker exit.

But for instance maybe the scouting report says, the pitcher throws a lot of first pitch fast balls for strikes cause he has a nasty slider that follows etc.... Most hitters prefer swinging at fastballs since all that usually means is timing it up for them to be successful. So if you understand the premise that you might only see one or two fastballs in an at-bat and you know the first fastball you will see is the first pitch, that is why you get a lot of swinging at the first pitch.

That is just one out of 20 different variables, but I do understand why you are bringing it up. The discipline at the plate last night wasn’t great and without a doubt played into how the game played out. You want your team to be aggressive at the plate, especially when you have a pitcher throwing as many strikes as he threw last night, but that was too aggressive.
This post was edited on 5/21/21 at 7:19 pm
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
19724 posts
Posted on 5/21/21 at 7:56 pm to
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Totally disagree with you. And how has CPM's strategy worked out for him these past several years?
I’m talking about baseball in general. If a team can’t hit, then clearly that changes the aggressive strategy.
Posted by Bomont
Member since May 2021
975 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 1:43 pm to
I understand your logic but I still think the more pitches you can make a pitcher throw the better off you'll be. If the pitcher is weak then more throws will make him weaker. If the pitcher is strong then throwing more pitches will hopefully neutralize his strength.
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