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re: Etling is better than most think
Posted on 10/26/17 at 2:20 pm to SEC Grapevine
Posted on 10/26/17 at 2:20 pm to SEC Grapevine
52 yard completion, but underthrown.
46 yard completion, questionable decision into double coverage.
48 yard completion, severely underthrown.
47 yard completion, underthrown.
He's got a nice throw to Chark for 46 yards vs Chattanooga, although a better throw is probably a TD. He's got a 10 yard throw across the middle to Sullivan that Sullivan took 43 yards for a TD vs Syracuse. He's got a great deep ball to Davis that was easily his best deep throw all year, and it went 87 yards for a TD. Then he's got the dump off to Williams that went for 63 yards and the 12 yard throw to Moreau that went for 60.
9 40+ yard completions, 6 of which were actually 40+ yard throws. Of those 6, only two could be considered good throws.
The idea Etling is some solid deep passer is simply wrong. He could be, but his slow delivery and mediocre velocity causes him to underthrow most of the routes.
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 2:21 pm to Cronkytonk
I agree that he is not playing terribly and is coming off of one of his better games this year. I just see him as being very similar to Lee. Read Lee's bio on lsusports.net if you don't believe that he led the conference in efficiency, even after the Alabama game. I only went in to detail because it was stated that the sample size was too small for Lee, but it was greater than Etling's sample at this point. I watched Etling hold the ball too long and really struggle last year in this game. I just hope he plays much better two Saturdays from now, because zero points obviously won't get it done.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 2:24 pm to slackster
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slackster
Posted on 10/26/17 at 2:26 pm to Madking
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Lee didn’t have enough attempts to qualify for any statistical ranking and even so Etlings rating is higher.
Going into the Alabama game, Lee was 98/155, with 1250 yards passing, 13 TDs, and only 1 INT. That QB rating of 157.35 through 8 games is higher than Etling at this point.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 2:26 pm to slackster
10 pass plays over 40 yards, regardless of how it’s happening it’s more than any other QB at LSU since 2000. And you’re forgetting some good throws that were intermediate and beyond. Some of Gage’s catches come to mind, some drops also. Lastly we never complained when Ro was throwing behind the line bubble screens to Josh Reed we need we compained when Flynn did the same with Early or Mett with Green so why all of the sudden is it a problem when Etlings doing it? You wanna post the links from all his throws I’ll sit here and break them down with you but have some consistency in your critiques.
This post was edited on 10/26/17 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 10/26/17 at 2:27 pm to Madking
Etling had a pretty good group of backs, receivers, and lineman last year. With that, he torched them with an 11 of 24 performance, for 92 yards, an int, and zero points. I just hope he plays a hell of a lot better than that or his 155 efficiency rate will take a hit.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 2:32 pm to A1tiger
That was an offense that was thrown together mid season with bubble gum and ply wood and we got a lot out of it mostly with 2 exceptional backs leading the charge. As far as Bama, that offense coupled with the oline play hurt us most. I’m not going to sit here and lie about it though, early on Etling had time in that game but he wasn’t expecting it and you could see that he was seeing ghost. After a quarter it was gone but at first he did have time. We had no run game and the play calling stunk too so you can’t lay that game at Etlings feet.
This post was edited on 10/26/17 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 10/26/17 at 2:32 pm to Madking
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Etling has less arm strength
Does this mean you're finally giving up on the strong arm according to scouts argument?
Posted on 10/26/17 at 2:34 pm to Madking
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Lastly we never complained when Ro was throwing behind the line bubble screens to Josh Reed we need we compained when Flynn did the same with Early or Mett with Green so why all of the sudden is it a problem when Etlings doing it?
It's not a problem unless you try to use 40+ yard pass plays as an example of his deep ball abilities.
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10 pass plays over 40 yards,
Not sure which one I'm missing. Let me know and I'll check it out.
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You wanna post the links from all his throws I’ll sit here and break them down with you but have some consistency in your critiques.
Etling's problem is his consistency. He has the ABILITY to throw the ball far, but he's often late on those throws. His numbers would be considerably better if he hit anyone in stride in those gifs. The Chark fumble vs. Auburn is another great example. 39 yard throw, catch, then fumble, but if it's accurate, it's a TD.
The more I watch Etling throw, the more impressed I am that Canada is calling plays to put him in the position to be successful. If Etling could capitalize on these "poor pass catchers" who are beating DBs and having to come back to the ball all the time, he'd be unstoppable.
His OL isn't great, no argument, but Etling's pocket presence has been bad this year too. Watch cforester's videos on YouTube. Etling doesn't do himself a ton of favors.
I like the guy, I really do, I just think he's limited. He's an average to slightly above average guy from a skill standpoint, but he plays hard.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 2:34 pm to Chet Donnely
Don’t speak to me you human jizz rag.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 2:44 pm to Madking
I agree it wasn't just on him. The play calling is what has hurt every QB over the last 9 years. Even this year has been a disappointment, as it relates to play calling in my opinion. I do not think Etling does well at making reads, going through progressions, getting rid of the ball, or throwing guys open. I do think he looks much better and more comfortable out of the shotgun and throwing quicker routes. I wish we could see more of that.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 2:48 pm to slackster
But that’s what I mean Ro had some big plays come off of Reeds Rac yardage, I’m not arguing your point I’m just saying we can’t go back and erase every QBs pass yards on balls that were thrown 5 yards or less. For example guys like Drew Brees, Matt Stafford, Brady, Luck, Rivers amd Eli are all super bowl or superstar QBs and are all in the bottom half of the NFL in average depth per throw, meaning their throws travel less yardage in the air than half of NFL QBs. I also agree Canada has done a brilliant job calling plays especially since O has gotten out of the way. But guys the QBs job is to operate the offense, this is college football you’re only gonna get a guy who’s special enough to have full command of an offense plus pro type savvy every once in 5 to 10 years in the entire country. Some strong armed college QBs arms are featured but you saw Saturday with Patterson that doesn’t beat the world either. You can’t expect Etling to play like a pro it’s just not practical. In college football you need a QB who can take care of the ball and operate the offense efficiently. When a shot is taken it needs to be a called shot. Bama has lived off of this formula for years. Etling is doing his job very well and most of his limitations are the personnel around him.
This post was edited on 10/26/17 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 10/26/17 at 2:53 pm to A1tiger
A lot of times he can’t get to his reads, sometimes his WRs aren’t where they’re supposed to be and sometimes he doesn’t trust anything and bails too early. If we had an oline that could give him real time I don’t doubt he’d look different. Look at BYU and Chatt, he had time he looked like a pro. If you have a chance re watch the playcalling progression vs Ole Miss, we started with regular drops and #9 was in his face before he hit his back foot, so Canada went to the 3 step and we dropped big passes, then he went to the swing screen. So throwing to the backs wasn’t really about Etlings problems.
This post was edited on 10/26/17 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 10/26/17 at 3:04 pm to Madking
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Mett with Green
Who’s Green?
Posted on 10/26/17 at 3:11 pm to Madking
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For example guys like Drew Brees, Matt Stafford, Brady, Luck, Rivers amd Eli are all super bowl or superstar QBs and are all in the bottom half of the NFL in average depth per throw, meaning their throws travel less yardage in the air than half of NFL QBs.
Actually, Brady is near the top:
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 3:16 pm to UpToPar
Ok it’s athlons fantasy magazine page 53. It says the numbers come from pro football focus. They’re rankings include every QB from 2016 who attempted at least 100 passes but there are only 9 QBs on the list with less than 300 attempts. Here are Rankings of some of the QBs I mentioned.
Luck - 21 8.23
Brady - 25 7.95
Stafford - 33 7.43
Brees - 36 7.19
Luck - 21 8.23
Brady - 25 7.95
Stafford - 33 7.43
Brees - 36 7.19
This post was edited on 10/26/17 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 10/26/17 at 3:18 pm to UpToPar
Lol Mauck with Skylar Green damn I’m screwing the pooch.
This post was edited on 10/26/17 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 10/26/17 at 3:25 pm to the_watcher
Yes but all 9 catches were thrown in stride and Dillon quickly gets out of bounds....
So explain why Etling is on time with the throw and accurate...to Dillon specifically. Hmmmm?
I have a theory....Dillon isn’t bumped...and it’s a timed route... Dillon runs the route accurately...& since it’s timed...Etling actually has time to step into his throw and therefore it’s thrown with accuracy and it’s caught....
Etling is only inconsistent when he has no time....therefore, I conclude:
Having no time is probably a combination of WR’s not being open and the OL not holding blocks long enough....
So explain why Etling is on time with the throw and accurate...to Dillon specifically. Hmmmm?
I have a theory....Dillon isn’t bumped...and it’s a timed route... Dillon runs the route accurately...& since it’s timed...Etling actually has time to step into his throw and therefore it’s thrown with accuracy and it’s caught....
Etling is only inconsistent when he has no time....therefore, I conclude:
Having no time is probably a combination of WR’s not being open and the OL not holding blocks long enough....
This post was edited on 10/26/17 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 10/26/17 at 3:32 pm to UpToPar
Just checked your link it’s not the same stat. Yours is completion avg what I’m talking about is average distance the ball travels in the air on each attempt.
This post was edited on 10/26/17 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 10/26/17 at 3:39 pm to Madking
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I’m screwing the pooch
Sounds about right
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