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re: Entitled Teams/Media Hypocricy/BCS Formula/Con Champs- Hilarity Ensues UPDATE OP
Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:45 am to LSUJuice
Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:45 am to LSUJuice
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But I'm not sure about Alabama.
Log in to yahoo, CBS, ESPN, etc. this AM.
They are ALL saying the same thing: Bama deserves to be in the NCG after "blowing out" Auburn.
Who hasn't blown out AU this year? LOL
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There's plenty national sentiment AGAINST Alabama (Southern, red state, some could say racists, rednecks, small market, etc.) that I don't think they're one of the entitled teams. I've heard most of the analysts say Alabama should be there because no one else should be.
Bama is the USC of the SEC. They will bring in the highest ratings of any SEC school. ESPN knows this. ESPN, who is hosting the title game, wants what CBS got a short month ago: record ratings.
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Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:49 am to Cracking
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Fans don't think the SEC is strong when Bama's not in the mix.
It has nothing to do with Bama; we just weren't that good that year. Incest is not indicative of strength. You have to beat outsiders. The best OOC regular season win was against something like a 7-4 team. We (the conf) lost the few games sched against good teams and we lost quite a few others, including some really bad losses. We didn't send that many teams to bowl games and I think we won one more than we lost. AU finished last among the 3 unbeatens in practically every computer poll known to man for a reason.
Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:54 am to Bubba Hotep
Agreed. In the end, not only should wins matter most, but the quality of wins should matter. If a one loss OSU is a conference champion, then that should be held higher than a one loss Bama who didn't qualify to play for their conference championship. While losses are somewhat important, they shouldn't be the defining mark of your resume when you have a national championship argument.
However, if you wanted to compare losses, here's how the comparison between Bama and OSU would go.
1) OSU lost to a 27 point underdog in triple overtime on the road. OSU failed to convert a field goal at the end of regulation to points. It's worth noting that OSU had just learned of a tragedy.
2) Bama lost at home in overtime to LSU despite being a five point favorite. Bama only reached the red zone once and missed long field goals, including one in overtime. LSU missed its share of touchdown opportunities in that game, but still managed to overcome a major test on the road.
The rankings here should be irrelevant. Bama lost at home in OT. OSU lost on the road in 3OT.
Wins matter much more than losses. We have to look at the quality of wins. OSU's signature win to this point is over Kansas State. Kansas State has a 9-2 record with losses only to OU and OSU. Bama's signature wins are against Penn State and Arkansas. While both impressive, the victory over Penn State isn't looking nearly as good now. There's also the fact that if OSU beats OU, that's not only a major signature win, but it also gives OSU the conference championship. Neither Penn State nor Arkansas are playing for a conference championship. OU, however, is.
In addition, OSU boats a better out-of-conference schedule and stronger in-conference competition. OSU can boast wins over Baylor, UT, and Kansas State. OSU can also say that UL-Lafayette and Tulsa are bowl eligible.
Bama only played one bowl eligible team out-of-conference. I know Georgia Southern could compete for and win a national championship in FCS, but when you hang your out-of-conference toughness on Georgia Southern (a team to which you gave up 21 points), it's a weak argument. Bama has beaten teams within the SEC that are bowl eligible, but the best team they beat in the SEC was Arkansas.
However, if you wanted to compare losses, here's how the comparison between Bama and OSU would go.
1) OSU lost to a 27 point underdog in triple overtime on the road. OSU failed to convert a field goal at the end of regulation to points. It's worth noting that OSU had just learned of a tragedy.
2) Bama lost at home in overtime to LSU despite being a five point favorite. Bama only reached the red zone once and missed long field goals, including one in overtime. LSU missed its share of touchdown opportunities in that game, but still managed to overcome a major test on the road.
The rankings here should be irrelevant. Bama lost at home in OT. OSU lost on the road in 3OT.
Wins matter much more than losses. We have to look at the quality of wins. OSU's signature win to this point is over Kansas State. Kansas State has a 9-2 record with losses only to OU and OSU. Bama's signature wins are against Penn State and Arkansas. While both impressive, the victory over Penn State isn't looking nearly as good now. There's also the fact that if OSU beats OU, that's not only a major signature win, but it also gives OSU the conference championship. Neither Penn State nor Arkansas are playing for a conference championship. OU, however, is.
In addition, OSU boats a better out-of-conference schedule and stronger in-conference competition. OSU can boast wins over Baylor, UT, and Kansas State. OSU can also say that UL-Lafayette and Tulsa are bowl eligible.
Bama only played one bowl eligible team out-of-conference. I know Georgia Southern could compete for and win a national championship in FCS, but when you hang your out-of-conference toughness on Georgia Southern (a team to which you gave up 21 points), it's a weak argument. Bama has beaten teams within the SEC that are bowl eligible, but the best team they beat in the SEC was Arkansas.
Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:54 am to EZE Tiger Fan
I'll buy that Alabama is the "USC of the SEC." But I won't buy the analysts influencing this because of ratings. I think that's over-thinking this. I will be interested to see if other news outlets start streamrolling with "Oklahoma State deserves it if they beat OU." ESPN has to run with that this week, right?
Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:59 am to EZE Tiger Fan
Posted on 11/27/11 at 10:00 am to LSUJuice
It's possible that the argument could pick up steam during the week. It wasn't hard for me to look at OSU's resume and compare it to Bama's resume. A victory over OU would make OSU's resume more worthy than that of Bama and leaving them out of the title game would not be doing them justice.
Posted on 11/27/11 at 10:01 am to Deathrider
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Deathrider
I'll buy your argument as long as you're a proponent of RESUME being the basis of the final ranking. The problem is analysts choose this argument when it benefits them or ignore it when they want to say "Best" team. This is where I agree with EZE on the hyprocicy of it all. Cherry-pick whichever argument benefits the one you want.
Posted on 11/27/11 at 10:02 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Long story short,
no it wasn't....but I agree with what you wrote
Posted on 11/27/11 at 10:02 am to LSURulzSEC
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but he is correct...
Correct on all points. Notice how the BCS made up for their mistake of 2003 by screwing Auburn in 2004. They made damn sure that fUSC and chOklahoma were in the title game in '04, Auburn be damned.
Also, as I've said ad nauseum, there isn't a team in the country with a bigger sense of entitlement than Alabama.
Posted on 11/27/11 at 10:04 am to LSUJuice
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LSUJuice
I absolutely don't disagree with you here. Where OSU currently sits, they have the benefit of being #2 in the computer rankings for the BCS. We don't really know how much Bama's computer score will improve. I would guess not much given the fact that Penn State, Tennessee, and Arkansas lost this weekend.
As far as the loss comparison goes, one could more easily make the argument that OSU's loss was more of a fluke than Bama's loss was. That's not how the media currently sees it because they tend to harp on Bama's missed opportunities as if Bama missed easy field goal attempts. There is a certain amount of hypocrisy there. I can't doubt that.
This post was edited on 11/27/11 at 10:05 am
Posted on 11/27/11 at 10:07 am to dgries
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With all of this said, I still want Alabama in the Dome. When we beat them, the media has no choice than to talk about us in the same sentence as 95 Nebraska and 01 Miami.
if we go undefeated , then what separates us from these two teams? # of NFL players?? We shall see how many of our team gets NFL run.....I would bet it's quite a few.
Posted on 11/27/11 at 10:08 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Bama is the USC of the SEC. They will bring in the highest ratings of any SEC school. ESPN knows this. ESPN, who is hosting the title game, wants what CBS got a short month ago: record ratings.
Follow the money and you'll usually find the reasons for hypocrisy. Granted that Bama has a very good team this year,one that according to the experts wasn't supposed to lose to LSU at BDS. Flip the argument and LSU would not be getting the same hype from the "experts"as Bama.
Solid post.
Posted on 11/27/11 at 10:09 am to rondo
I agree. As I've said before, just imagine if our name was USC, Alabama or Oklahoma. The hyperbole about this team in the major media would be through the roof. It would be annoying and disgusting. The best compliment they give us is that we might be as good as the team we already beat.
Also, can you imagine if TM7 had had the game he had, the season he's had, wearing an Alabama uniform (or Michigan)? His season this year was more impressive than Charles Woodson in 1997 who beat out Peyton Manning for the Heisman. TM7 can't even get in the discussion against guys like Trent Richardson (whose team he beat both years TR was the feature back), LaMichael James (another beaten team), Andrew Luck, Brandon Weeden and RGIII.
Also, can you imagine if TM7 had had the game he had, the season he's had, wearing an Alabama uniform (or Michigan)? His season this year was more impressive than Charles Woodson in 1997 who beat out Peyton Manning for the Heisman. TM7 can't even get in the discussion against guys like Trent Richardson (whose team he beat both years TR was the feature back), LaMichael James (another beaten team), Andrew Luck, Brandon Weeden and RGIII.
Posted on 11/27/11 at 10:24 am to Tigerpaul1969
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I agree. As I've said before, just imagine if our name was USC, Alabama or Oklahoma. The hyperbole about this team in the major media would be through the roof. It would be annoying and disgusting. The best compliment they give us is that we might be as good as the team we already beat.
I had another rant about that. LOL
If LSU Was A Media Darling, Would They Be "The Best Team Ever"?
Posted on 11/27/11 at 10:26 am to EZE Tiger Fan
YOU ARE 100% CORRECT. SAD BUT ABSOLUTELY TRUE! 
Posted on 11/27/11 at 10:26 am to Tigerpaul1969
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TM7 can't even get in the discussion against guys like Trent Richardson (whose team he beat both years TR was the feature back), LaMichael James (another beaten team), Andrew Luck, Brandon Weeden and RGIII.
Doesn't help that he plays defense and ST bro (and i know woodson played D as well, but he also was used on offense as well as ST..and chris fowler was responsible for his heisman).
Posted on 11/27/11 at 11:37 am to Honkus
..he said with Bama's schedule...
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...besides LSU , was weak. OOC esp. ... plus, SEC was much down overall this year compared to previous.. True dat, guys... You lose at home to a team in your division, in your conference (and not an "early season" game , but game NO. 9 ! no less), then you don't "deserve" a mulligan "rematch" where maybe you get to go 1-1 against said team, while playing one less game, and get to run around shouting "We're No 1" We're National Champs" get the Sports Illustrated magazine cover blah blah ad nauseum forever...
Total , total Bullshite...
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...besides LSU , was weak. OOC esp. ... plus, SEC was much down overall this year compared to previous.. True dat, guys... You lose at home to a team in your division, in your conference (and not an "early season" game , but game NO. 9 ! no less), then you don't "deserve" a mulligan "rematch" where maybe you get to go 1-1 against said team, while playing one less game, and get to run around shouting "We're No 1" We're National Champs" get the Sports Illustrated magazine cover blah blah ad nauseum forever...
Total , total Bullshite...
Posted on 11/27/11 at 11:39 am to Honkus
..he said with Bama's schedule...
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...besides LSU , was weak. OOC esp. ... plus, SEC was much down overall this year compared to previous.. True dat, guys... You lose at home to a team in your division, in your conference (and not an "early season" game , but game NO. 9 ! no less), then you don't "deserve" a mulligan "rematch" where maybe you get to go 1-1 against said team, while playing one less game, and get to run around shouting "We're No 1" We're National Champs" get the Sports Illustrated magazine cover blah blah ad nauseum forever...
Total , total Bullshite...
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...besides LSU , was weak. OOC esp. ... plus, SEC was much down overall this year compared to previous.. True dat, guys... You lose at home to a team in your division, in your conference (and not an "early season" game , but game NO. 9 ! no less), then you don't "deserve" a mulligan "rematch" where maybe you get to go 1-1 against said team, while playing one less game, and get to run around shouting "We're No 1" We're National Champs" get the Sports Illustrated magazine cover blah blah ad nauseum forever...
Total , total Bullshite...
Posted on 11/27/11 at 11:45 am to Honkus
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w/ our schedule, we certainy would be #2.
Doubtful bro
Posted on 11/27/11 at 11:54 am to TheDoc
To further prove eze's point:
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