re: Effect of the current Parking Lot Debacle on the whole season.

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this is the problem.

you're assuming he was drinking. i'm not saying he wasn't, but you can't say for sure that he was unless you saw him.

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Yes I am making that assumption, at the hour of the night this was happening, in the place where it occurred. Circumstantial evidence in a court of law, maybe. But let's be real here...

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If given the chance, would they do it all over again?




This is a stupid statement.

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I totally agree. Just as stupid a statement as "the players coming together shows unity". If you don't know the difference between unity on a football field and unity in a bar fight nevermind.

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So you completely dismiss my Charles Scott comment

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I didn't dismiss it; it wasn't relevant. JJ is not Charles Scott. And the whole point of what I originally posted has more to do with the general behaviors - being in a booze place, brawling, and etc. I don't care if he drank nothing but water, or if he was loaded to the gills, it's APPEARANCES. A team leader is not going to compromise his team by putting himself in a situation that can only reflect negatively on his team. Especially a team that is being so highly touted as LSU is, preseason. At the very best it shows a lack of maturity and self-discipline.

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I didn't dismiss it; it wasn't relevant. JJ is not Charles Scott.

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No, but he's a recent football player that would visit the bar quite often and stay out late.

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nd the whole point of what I originally posted has more to do with the general behaviors - being in a booze place, brawling, and etc.

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No you were making the assumption that football players at the bar late at night points to them being wasted. It doesn't, see Charles Scott comment. They could have been, but the fact of the matter is you don't know. Neither do I.

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I don't care if he drank nothing but water, or if he was loaded to the gills, it's APPEARANCES.

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So these kids can't go to the bar? Got it.

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A team leader is not going to compromise his team by putting himself in a situation that can only reflect negatively on his team. Especially a team that is being so highly touted as LSU is, preseason. At the very best it shows a lack of maturity and self-discipline.

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Getting in a fight shows this, not necessarily going to the bar.

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How about an easy hypthetical. What if the suspensions are just for the Oregon game. I agree, the unknown right now is who all was involved. This incident could prove to be nothing or you could have six starters sitting on the bench vs. the Ducks. Sort of reminds me of the LSU vs. NC game last year.

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How does a fight at the bar remind you of players taking extra benefits and talking to agents in Miami and being suspended?

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Well it doesn't show a lack thereof.

And if you think that unity at the bar in a fight makes any difference at all about playing football then you're as stupid as I previously thought.

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Here's how stupid I am. "Unity" in a bar fight is driven my impulse and/or alcohol or both. Heck, mobs in the street show unity. Play on a football field requires discipline. My point is will the impulsive acts of Thurday night carry over and affect the psyche of the whole team and thus impact their play on the field.

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No, but he's a recent football player that would visit the bar quite often and stay out late.

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I just see no reason to drag Charles Scott's name into JJ's problem behavior situation now and somehow try to relativize what JJ was doing that night.

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So these kids can't go to the bar? Got it.

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I have no problem with going to a bar and even having a couple of drinks. I do question the wisdom of hanging out in a bar into the wee hours, drunk or sober. Trouble just has a way of happening the later it gets.

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No you were making the assumption that football players at the bar late at night points to them being wasted. It doesn't, see Charles Scott comment. They could have been, but the fact of the matter is you don't know. Neither do I.

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Wasted? No, you made that huge leap. I made a general statement about bar-hopping, boozing, and brawling, you jumped to a wrong conclusion.

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Getting in a fight shows this, not necessarily going to the bar.

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It was bad judgment, immaturity, and a poor choice on JJ's part all around.

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I just see no reason to drag Charles Scott's name into JJ's problem behavior situation now and somehow try to relativize what JJ was doing that night.

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It shows that football players can actually go to the bar late at night and not get drunk. Novel concept.

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I have no problem with going to a bar and even having a couple of drinks. I do question the wisdom of hanging out in a bar into the wee hours, drunk or sober. Trouble just has a way of happening the later it gets.

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The bar stays open until 2, kids in college stay out that late quite often. Trouble does have a way of happening later at night, but I'm not sure what you can tell a college kid.

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Wasted? No, you made that huge leap. I made a general statement about bar-hopping, boozing, and brawling, you jumped to a wrong conclusion.

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Drunk and wasted are synonymous.

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It was bad judgment, immaturity, and a poor choice on JJ's part all around.

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No doubt. But somehow people make the leap that this kid can no longer play football because of this incident, which is fricking ridiculous.

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Trouble just has a way of happening the later it gets.

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go take a nap, gramps.

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Trouble just has a way of happening the later it gets.



go take a nap, gramps.

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He never stayed out later though. Not ever. And because he didn't, nobody can or he will come on here and discuss the merits of kids in college staying out after the sun goes down.