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re: Does not wanting CEO as the head coach make me a bad LSU fan?
Posted on 10/18/16 at 10:43 pm to Bmath
Posted on 10/18/16 at 10:43 pm to Bmath
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Perhaps, but do you not 1) Think he can learn from his mistakes and 2) Not see a marked change in his coaching philosophy?
We can't afford to be the proving ground where a coach can showcase that he learns from his mistakes. Let him go to a full-time job somewhere else if his ultimate goal is to coach at LSU. We are supposedly a top 10 job in the nation. Does that seem like a place where a coach with a losing record should be able to showcase the fact that he learned from his previous mistakes?
The risk there for LSU is tremendous, and the likelihood of it succeeding, based on what we've seen previously, is very small. The suggestion by itself is asinine, especially when we remove the current context. Even with the addition of what he did at USC and LSU, it seems like utter madness that we would conceivably give a raise to a coach who decimated a program in his only full head coaching stop, but showed promise at two schools where the previous coach was let go despite the fact both teams were very talented.
Honestly I don't understand the desire to have Coach O. His track record is primarily as a defensive line coach, and his stints above that have been, when combined, middling, certainly not enough to warrant becoming the head coach of a program that is supposedly the caliber of LSU.
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Posted on 10/18/16 at 10:44 pm to tubucoco
Half the people that want Herman can't name more than two facts about him other that his name.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 10:45 pm to Bmath
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He's shown the ability to improve and knows how to be a leader.
You have no idea if this is true or not. You THINK it's true, but there is very little of base that off of.
And he lobbied hard for the Syracuse job last year and didn't even get an interview.
SYRACUSE!!!
This post was edited on 10/18/16 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 10/18/16 at 10:46 pm to LSULyle00690
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LSULyle00690
Does not wanting CEO as the head coach make me a bad LSU fan?
No, but let's face it, you were already a pretty bad fan...
Posted on 10/18/16 at 10:47 pm to LuzianaFootball
And 80 percent of the people want O because he's Cajun
Which one is more ridiculous?
If Steve Ensignmer was named the interim and had the same results we've had NOONE would be mentioning as a candidate
Which one is more ridiculous?
If Steve Ensignmer was named the interim and had the same results we've had NOONE would be mentioning as a candidate
Posted on 10/18/16 at 10:47 pm to crazy4lsu
Coach O decimated Ole Piss?? Lol. Really?? Podna you are full of shite!
Posted on 10/18/16 at 10:47 pm to Celjun
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Would you still feel this way if he ran the table or suffered just 1 loss.
I think O is perfect for this situation, just not sure he's an elite head coach, one that can maintain this level of an organization for the next 5-7 years.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 10:49 pm to LSULyle00690
What's O's resume as a hired head coach?
Posted on 10/18/16 at 10:50 pm to tubucoco
Since 1994, Ole Miss has had 7 losing seasons. Coach O had three of them. He had 3 conference wins in three years. It's an utterly terrible record.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 10:53 pm to tubucoco
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Be careful what you ask for when you already have a good coach who is also a helluva recruiter in the safe house.
We've had good recruiting for the past 5 years, where has that gotten us? Sure Herman lost to Navy but Coach O lost to fricking WYOMING!?
Posted on 10/18/16 at 10:57 pm to 7nette
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7nette
I'm hoping that one day when get your first job you are absolutely perfect at it, since you are so intolerant of mistakes and unwilling to believe that a person can learn and grow.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 10:59 pm to LSULyle00690
quote:I hate these frickin threads. Look, I'm not doubting your sincere intentions but all of these threads are effectively trolls. They're exactly the type of discontent and shite stirring threads that trolls would like to start and which they would and/or do gleefully participate.
oes not wanting CEO as the head coach make me a bad LSU fan?
I just feel we can do better
Look, I want the best possible coach at LSU long term. I want to flip the script and make Bama and other's our bitch as much as anyone. But right now, O is our coach. No, he doesn't have a spotless resume, but neither did Lincoln or Churchill. Lucky for us, we get a "nearly" free test ride. Let's ride this train and see where it goes. Who's to say that O hasn't learned enough at this point to be an elite coach? Sure, he has a serious uphill battle, but if he makes it to the summit, that actually does mean something. I couldn't care less if a guy got beat up every day in high school if he is built like a brick wall and has a serious chip on his shoulder today.
Stop worrying so much and enjoy the ride. I'm sure Alleva is working his plan. Focus on supporting our boys and the rest will unfold in due time.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 11:01 pm to bigoyster
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I'm hoping that one day when get your first job you are absolutely perfect at it, since you are so intolerant of mistakes and unwilling to believe that a person can learn and grow.
Okay great. O says he has learned from his mistakes....you just taking his word on that? Why are we risking the program on a guy that MIGHT have changed but has never put in the time at a smaller program to prove that he changed?
That's coach Os biggest problem. He wants to skip the steps to becoming a big time coach. He wants the Dabo Sweeney route, instead of putting in the work at another programs and maintaining it. Difference is Dabo didn't have a spotty record before he lucked into a major job. Coach O doesn't have the advantage of being unknown. He has a track record, it's up to him to prove that track record wrong but he has refused to try to do that and wants to beg for big boy jobs after taking over mid season instead (which is a situation that his skill set is PERFECT for, but it does not project to long term success)
Posted on 10/18/16 at 11:03 pm to crazy4lsu
Orgeron left Ole Miss well stocked with excellent players which is part of the reason why they have emerged. Not many coaches hit it off successfully their first time at bat. You like others are being way too judgemental. The man like he said has learned a lot from his experiences and I see it. Like what he is doing now being a HC that is being a CEO, and delegating to his staff is what's needed. Letting everyone get involved. LSU looks like a totally different team. I hope he gets the job.
This post was edited on 10/18/16 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 10/18/16 at 11:06 pm to bigoyster
So someone points out a loss to Navy and I point out an even worse loss by Coach O and all of a sudden that makes me intolerant? Coach O's only actual experience as a HC got him a 3-21 record. In 3 full years as a HC and 2 interim positions he has less wins than Tom Herman in 1.5 years. But sure, let's give this dude the keys to the castle.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 11:07 pm to bigoyster
The answer to the OP's question is no you are not a bad fan. I like O and want to see how LSU finishes out. He certainly has his work cut out for him.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 11:09 pm to tubucoco
Houston fricking Nutt won ten games with those players and then immediately had two more losing seasons. I'm being judgmental because the man stands to make a couple million or more as our potential HC. It's perfectly reasonable being judgmental in this instance. He doesn't deserve this opportunity going by his previous record. One terrible HC job, one okay interim job, and one job where he is being romanticized because he's not Les Miles. In-between, no coordinator stops, nothing else on his resume other than DL coach.
LSU would be making a massive, massive mistake hiring O, and I hope the people that are paid a lot of money to make this decision do the right thing and hire a proven head coach.
LSU would be making a massive, massive mistake hiring O, and I hope the people that are paid a lot of money to make this decision do the right thing and hire a proven head coach.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 11:10 pm to 7nette
shite you gave the keys to Miles. Lol You think coach O will be worse than Miles?? Lol I don't think so.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 11:11 pm to LSULyle00690
Herman is just such an x and o's guy
I have longed for a coach like that
Who can scheme and beat good defenses
The great thing is it won't matter who the oc is and you just need an elite dc, which LSU always attracts while established
Like urban always has great o
Like saban always has great d
Doesn't matter when their side of the ball's coordinator leaves they always do well there
I'd like a mastermind hc like that
I have longed for a coach like that
Who can scheme and beat good defenses
The great thing is it won't matter who the oc is and you just need an elite dc, which LSU always attracts while established
Like urban always has great o
Like saban always has great d
Doesn't matter when their side of the ball's coordinator leaves they always do well there
I'd like a mastermind hc like that
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