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re: Did JJ look faster?
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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No...compare a QB with a week to prepare as the starter to a QB who had a whole season to improve. Dude. C'mon!
Exactly. How do people not understand this?
They want to compare JJ in the 11th game to lee playing his 5th.
Just unreal.
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Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:45 pm to OBUDan
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These are two entirely different teams playing entirely different schedules with different coaches.
Hell, I agree with this. It's worthless to compare the two QB's. Not til you see JJ play more this year.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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No...compare a QB with a week to prepare as the starter to a QB who had a whole season to improve. Dude. C'mon!
Do you think Lee wasn't getting reps in practice. He's in his 5th year. He has had plenty of reps.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:46 pm to Mr. Wayne
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Do you think Lee wasn't getting reps in practice. He's in his 5th year. He has had plenty of reps.
He was splitting reps with JJ. When JJ was suspended, he got more 1st team reps.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:47 pm to CptBengal
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Thats exactly what you imply when you say comparison of the end of 2010 against the beginning of 2011 is most fair.
Except, I didn't say that...
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then no comparison can be made, ever.
I didn't say that either.
You work with statistics, right?
Limited sample size with changing variables in entirely different environments and it should be considered meaningful data?
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:47 pm to Mr. Wayne
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Do you think Lee wasn't getting reps in practice. He's in his 5th year. He has had plenty of reps.
I don't know how many he was getting. Do you? Are you saying a QB should be as good in game mumber one as he is in game 13?
This post was edited on 10/6/11 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:48 pm to CptBengal
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That's why business compare Q1 with Q1 and NOT Q1 with Q3 when analyzing trends from different years.
Frankly, that's a terrible comparison.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:48 pm to TheDoc
Players get better over the course of their career. Does Tom Brady suck every year at the beginning of the season and then slowly begin to get better.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:48 pm to Mr. Wayne
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Explain it to me then.
when you are dealing with metrics that have an auto regressive structure, it makes sense to compare the groupings so that the effects of your error structure have an equal effect on both groupings over a similar period of time.
In this way you minimize the bias created by your inherent structure of results.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:49 pm to TheDoc
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Exactly. How do people not understand this?
They want to compare JJ in the 11th game to lee playing his 5th.
Just unrea
You are making a bit of a leap, though.
Just because Player A played poorly for the first 5 games and improved over the last 7, doesn't mean player B will do the same.
To assume such would be an error. I'm not even talking Lee/JJ here.
We could use, Stephen Garcia, for example. Garcia has more starts under his belt than either of these two. He should be "most improved" based upon your argument. Yet, he's been benched for a RS Freshman.
To me, it just doesn't follow that Jefferson struggled and then improved therefore Lee will only improve upon his early play.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:49 pm to Mr. Wayne
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Players get better over the course of their career. Does Tom Brady suck every year at the beginning of the season and then slowly begin to get better
Are you seriously comparing two college QB's with mediocre coaching to Tom Brady?
Seriously? GTFO
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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don't know how many he was getting. Do you? Are you saying a QB should be as good in game mumber one as he is in game 13?
I'm saying we have no way of knowing who is the better QB at the time. We disagree on how to measure them currently is all. I've said all along, I trust the coaches. Whoever takes a snap for this team will have my full support and that should be everyone's attitude.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:52 pm to Antonio Moss
i wonder how many pages a "Did JJ look stronger?" thread will get
ridiculous
ridiculous
This post was edited on 10/6/11 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:52 pm to OBUDan
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To me, it just doesn't follow that Jefferson struggled and then improved therefore Lee will only improve upon his early play.
Its certainly a possibility. I think most people who haven't been the starter for a season in several years will improve down the home stretch. I would think the odds would be in that favor
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:52 pm to OBUDan
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then no comparison can be made, ever.
I didn't say that either.
If you say it is wrong to comapre them due to different competions, different personnel, differnt teams, etc, then that's exactly what you are saying. If there is no commonality of factor in what you are comparing you have nothing to differentiate, as there would be no shared metric on which to evaluate a variance.
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You work with statistics, right?
Limited sample size with changing variables in entirely different environments and it should be considered meaningful data?
No, which is why I said:
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then no comparison can be made, ever.
You have to accept that there is inherent bias in the structure in order to make ANY comparison in things like sports, where the variables are innumerable and constantly change. Accepting assumptions allows you to make those comparisons.
If you aren't willing to allow for those exceptions, there is no point in doing the exercise.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Are you seriously comparing two college QB's with mediocre coaching to Tom Brady?
Seriously? GTFO
Are you slow? I was making a point. QB's don't have to start over every season. They get better every year until they reach their potential. Try thinking next time.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:If Lee wasn't a 5th Sr, I'd agree.
And other delusionals are picking the final five games after a season of experience to prove him better than Lee.
But it is the level Ds and the FCS foe that tip the scale, imo.
I see many, many more topics started to run Jefferson down, even slyly camoflaged such as LSUTugger(sp) untill Moss called him out.
I steered clear of that one and I think I'll steer clear of the rest of the QB threads. I just don't care for the misinformation.
It's not like you'll change somebody's perception.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Are you saying a QB should be as good in game mumber one as he is in game 13?
Again only if you are cherry picking games to try and get the most favorable comparison for JJ.
Even with the last 5 games included which were easily JJ's best games (though ULM was really bad and Arky very mediocre) only got JJ up to the 100th rated qb out of 116 and the 11th out of 12 rated qb in the SEC for the season. Wanna bet Lee never gets even close to numbers that bad this year???
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:54 pm to Mr. Wayne
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I was making a point. QB's don't have to start over every season. They get better every year until they reach their potential. Try thinking next time.
Try wording your post to mean what you say, if you don't want people to take it literally.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:55 pm to CptBengal
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then no comparison can be made, ever.
I think this is the only thing that can be taken from this entire abomination of a thread. Regardless of what data we think is relevant, the only thing we can do is sit back and watch to see who the best option for this team is.
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