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re: Did JJ look faster?
Posted on 10/6/11 at 11:51 am to TigerNlc
Posted on 10/6/11 at 11:51 am to TigerNlc
quote:How so? 2011 includes an FCS opp and lesser defenses.
How about JJ stats from his first 5 in 10 to JL first 5 in 11. That sounds fair.
Why wouldn't you use the most recent prformance of each QB, unless you were trying to pick stats?
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Posted on 10/6/11 at 11:52 am to Choctaw
quote:
God forbid someone mentions something good about JJs play.
It turns into an 11 page bitchfest
You have two extreme camps. Blame both. Be fair.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 11:53 am to Choctaw
quote:
God forbid someone mentions something good about JJs play.
It turns into an 11 page bitchfest
Pathetic actually.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 11:53 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Blame both. Be fair.
Or realize that both were subjected to one of the most incompetent OC/QB coaches in CFB and blame neither.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 11:54 am to TigerNlc
quote:Or Lee's interceptions from 2008? Or Lee's stats from the last five games of last year?
How about JJ stats from his first 5 in 10 to JL first 5 in 11. That sounds fair.
Lee is not the QB he was in 2008 or at the end of last year. Did you not see the improvement in his last five starts?
Jefferson is not the QB he was at the beginning of last year. Did you not see the improvement in his last five starts?
Posted on 10/6/11 at 11:54 am to Antonio Moss
quote:...the better option.
Or realize that both were subjected to one of the most incompetent OC/QB coaches in CFB and blame neither.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 11:55 am to Mayhawman
quote:
Why wouldn't you use the most recent prformance of each QB, unless you were trying to pick stats?
So comparing a QB who played all year in a different system with a different OC is the same as comparing it to a QB who had a week to prepare as starter? That makes sense to you?
How about we wait and see what JJ does this year an compare? Since what happened last year means absolutely nothing?
Why can't you look at what LSU has now and appreciate it instead of this incessant knighting for your f'king hero's?
Posted on 10/6/11 at 11:55 am to Mayhawman
quote:
How so? 2011 includes an FCS opp and lesser defenses.
Why wouldn't you use the most recent prformance of each QB, unless you were trying to pick stats?
Offense usually gets better as the season goes I thought that was pretty much common knowledge. Lee also played 3 ranked teams on the road. That should even the competition.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 11:56 am to Antonio Moss
quote:
Or realize that both were subjected to one of the most incompetent OC/QB coaches in CFB and blame neither.
It has been my contention all along that it's useless to look at anything that happened in the previous years.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 11:56 am to Mayhawman
quote:
Nice spin try though.
Not trying to spin, how many passing td's did he have?
just curious, considering we are talking about the qb.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 11:57 am to CantonTiger128
quote:Wrong. I took five games.
You take 3 games out of 13....and isoloate those games.
The same number as Lee has started this year. The last five games for each.
quote:It's 5 games. Seriously. You seem to have a problem with counting.
not cherry pick 3 games where he played ok
Posted on 10/6/11 at 11:57 am to just me
quote:
Jefferson is not the QB he was at the beginning of last year. Did you not see the improvement in his last five starts?
I did which leads me to the conclusion that Lee will improve the same JJ did as the season goes on.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 11:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
It has been my contention all along that it's useless to look at anything that happened in the previous years.
Then lets look at this year:
Passing Statistics
NAME CMP ATT YDS CMP% YDS/A TD INT RAT
Jarrett Lee 64 108 793 59.3 7.34 7 1 140.5
Zach Mettenberger 8 11 92 72.7 8.36 1 0 173.0
Totals 72 119 885 60.5 7.44 8 1 143.5
Pretty easy decision here.......
Posted on 10/6/11 at 11:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
You have two extreme camps. Blame both. Be fair.
You are right. I try to be as fair as possible and sometimes I get baited into defending one side. For instance the wr drops. JL was NOT throwing accurate passes in the Kentucky game yet all we saw was thread after thread about how many drops the wr's had. If it had been JJ throwing the passes it would have been completely opposite and fans would have been saying JJ doesn't hit the wr's in stride. I also find it funny how last year when JJ did have balls hit wr's in their hands the fans said he doesn't throw a catchable ball. I give credit when it's deserved but I am also not so enamoured with a player that I can't give an accurate assesment of his play.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 12:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:No. I have no disdain for people who decide not to attempt to elevate one player over the other. If there was never another bash Jefferson thread, I would never post another thread analyzing the facts.
So you have a disdain for people who decide not to attempt to elevate one player over the other? Pretty fricking silly. And petty, which you are becoming more every day.
I don't try to elevate Jefferson over the team. I don't try to elevate Jefferson over Lee. I merely compare them.
I leave the choice as to who plays in the hands of the coaching staff. I don't criticize that choice.
I don't criticize Lee starting right now.
I don't say that any player must be a coach's pet merely because the player starts.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 12:01 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:
You are right. I try to be as fair as possible and sometimes I get baited into defending one side. For instance the wr drops. JL was NOT throwing accurate passes in the Kentucky game yet all we saw was thread after thread about how many drops the wr's had. If it had been JJ throwing the passes it would have been completely opposite and fans would have been saying JJ doesn't hit the wr's in stride. I also find it funny how last year when JJ did have balls hit wr's in their hands the fans said he doesn't throw a catchable ball. I give credit when it's deserved but I am also not so enamoured with a player that I can't give an accurate assesment of his play.
His passes could have been better but it was the announcers counting 7 drops. I don't think they care either way.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 12:01 pm to just me
quote:if we continue to win and JJ has a limited role, would you change your mind on Lee starting?
I don't criticize Lee starting right now
Posted on 10/6/11 at 12:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Sorry to hurt your little feelings!
Dude, look at your posts in this thread.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 12:01 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:
You are right. I try to be as fair as possible and sometimes I get baited into defending one side. For instance the wr drops. JL was NOT throwing accurate passes in the Kentucky game yet all we saw was thread after thread about how many drops the wr's had. If it had been JJ throwing the passes it would have been completely opposite and fans would have been saying JJ doesn't hit the wr's in stride. I also find it funny how last year when JJ did have balls hit wr's in their hands the fans said he doesn't throw a catchable ball.
Good start, then back into the same old pattern. Sometimes how you perceive things skews your view on reality. The reality, it's nowhere as bad as you think.
Posted on 10/6/11 at 12:03 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:You win the award for showing that "numerous" times apparently ain't so "numerous."
Thrice.
What do I win?
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