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re: Deichmann out a few weeks
Posted on 2/13/17 at 2:39 pm to therick711
Posted on 2/13/17 at 2:39 pm to therick711
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Because he's the centerpiece of your offense
Look. He's important, but let's not pretend like he's essential to winning games this weekend or the next.
quote:He's been cleared?
when that guy is cleared to go, you let him go
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Posted on 2/13/17 at 2:40 pm to ell_13
quote:If the adults say there is no injury risk to his playing future(which is unlikely for a face injury), it comes down to the player.
The player will almost always try come back before he's ready. It's up to the adults in charge to make that call, imo.
This is a unique circumstance where yes he could re-injure it, but it doesnt effect his career.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 2:41 pm to ell_13
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Look. He's important, but let's not pretend like he's essential to winning games this weekend or the next.
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Because he's the centerpiece of your offense
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He's been cleared?
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when that guy is cleared to go, you let him go
Posted on 2/13/17 at 2:43 pm to lsupride87
quote:It would affect the team. If he reinjures it this weekend, then he's definitely out longer right? And they definitely don't make the same "mistake" (because it would definitely be called a mistake at that point, right) and make sure he's healed next time around. So maybe into SEC play? Again, that's the risk.
This is a unique circumstance where yes he could re-injure it, but it doesnt effect his career.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 2:45 pm to therick711
I'll try again.
quote:Says who?
Because he's the centerpiece of your offense
quote:Like lsupride87 has said, this isn't that cut and dry. Being cleared to take any pressure to the face and being "cleared" to bat with a mask/baserun is different. And the latter is a judgement call.
when that guy is cleared to go, you let him go
Posted on 2/13/17 at 2:47 pm to ell_13
quote:It doesnt really work like that though. If a player is cleared, and he wants to play, it is very tough on a coach to tell him to sit at wait until the important games.
It would affect the team. If he reinjures it this weekend, then he's definitely out longer right? And they definitely don't make the same "mistake" (because it would definitely be called a mistake at that point, right) and make sure he's healed next time around. So maybe into SEC play? Again, that's the risk.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 2:47 pm to ell_13
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Says who?
That late season/postseason run where he raped everyone and made us a juggernaut. Also, the fact that he was slated to bat third all year. Sounds pretty centerpiecy to me.
When he is cleared to go, you let him go. It doesn't matter how much Ell thinks he knows about Service Academy scouting reports. It's really that simple.
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 2/13/17 at 2:48 pm to ell_13
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Trust me, I want this more than anyone. So much, that I want to make sure he's doing it in May and June. Don't care so much about Air Force.
I know. I'm with you, no sense in rushing him back for this weekend. It also gives a guy like Breaux or Adams a chance to see meaningful ABs.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 2:51 pm to lsupride87
quote:He wouldn't though. If he rests 3 weeks, he still has time to get back in the groove before SEC.
it is very tough on a coach to tell him to sit at wait until the important games.
Look, I'm not saying don't listen to the docs. Because every one would say he should be fine to play as long as he doesn't take a hit in any way to that side of the face. The staff can take measures to help prevent that with lessening risk as the weeks go on and it heals. It's not like he'll have a cast or any other protection besides the mask. I just don't see the point of the risk right now. What is there to gain?
Posted on 2/13/17 at 2:54 pm to ell_13
all "could he would he should he" aside. it's gotta hurt like hell. I remember being on one those fun jumps and getting hit in the cheek by someone else's head. i was sore for quite a while and there was nothing broken and no surgery.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 2:56 pm to therick711
quote:Romero went on a run last year. KRob did. Freeman did. Even Bryce did at one point. I'm not trying to lessen it, but damn, a good run late by a middle/bottom order guy doesn't make him a centerpiece on a team returning 8 starters.
That postseason run where he raped everyone and made us a juggernaut.
quote:Define cleared. If the docs said, "he can play as long as he doesn't get hit in the face at all, no bumps, nothing" then do you play him because you trust that mask to protect him?
When he is cleared to go, you let him go
quote:The hell does this mean, rick?
It doesn't matter how much Ell thinks he knows about Service Academy scouting reports.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 2:57 pm to ell_13
with you on this one Ell. As much as i'd love to seem him in the lineup, i just don't think it's worth the risk.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:00 pm to ell_13
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Define cleared. If the docs said, "he can play as long as he doesn't get hit in the face at all, no bumps, nothing" then do you play him because you trust that mask to protect him?
Ell, when he is cleared to go you let him go. You are envisioning some bullshite a doctor would tell you that isn't cleared. If the doctor says "he can play, he needs to wear a mask and the Chinea raping helmet" then you let him play. It is really that simple.
In no way does it factor into it whether you think we need him for the Service Academies. If he can play, he'll play. If he can't he'll sit. It really is that simple.
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Romero went on a run last year. KRob did. Freeman did. Even Bryce did at one point. I'm not trying to lessen it, but damn, a good run late by a middle/bottom order guy doesn't make him a centerpiece on a team returning 8 starters.
Deichmann was slated to bat third all year. Seems centerpiecy to me.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:06 pm to therick711
quote:I've heard doctors give stipulations plenty of times. They use words like "should be" and "if" a lot to protect their asses. I'm not just making up a doctor being reluctant to fully "clear" a player who's technically still injured.
You are envisioning some bullshite a doctor would tell you that isn't cleared.
quote:If he says that word for word, I'm on board.
he needs to wear a mask and the Chinea raping helmet
quote:KRob and Duplantis were in that spot plenty last year. Is that what you would call them? I don't think this lineup was/is built around him or his power. There's no one to really protect him. We were going to be an aggressively running team anyway. None of that changes without him. That's what I meant.
Deichmann was slated to bat third all year. Seems centerpiecy to me.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:27 pm to ell_13
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I'm not just making up a doctor being reluctant to fully "clear" a player who's technically still injured.
Let's go back to it.
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when that guy is cleared to go, you let him go
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KRob and Duplantis were in that spot plenty last year. Is that what you would call them? I don't think this lineup was/is built around him or his power. There's no one to really protect him. We were going to be an aggressively running team anyway. None of that changes without him. That's what I meant.
From when he was moved to the third spot until the end of the season , I would say KRob became the centerpiece, absolutely without reservation. I think we're building a different kind of lineup this year with Deichmann as the centerpiece. You quibbling over it seems pretty silly.
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:32 pm to therick711
quote:It's a simple point that I don't think his loss for a few weeks would drastically change the teams approach vs who we are playing. Arguing over "centerpiece" is silly, I agree.
You quibbling over it seems pretty silly.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:35 pm to ell_13
If deichmann can't or doesn't go, who plays RF? Breaux or Adams?
Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:36 pm to UpToPar
Breaux. Adams may get first shot at DH.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:37 pm to ell_13
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Arguing over "centerpiece" is silly, I agree.
There isn't an argument. That's the problem. You denying its veracity doesn't create an argument. It just means you're trying to play rhetorical games that don't connect with reality.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:44 pm to ell_13
Wanna give your shot at a lineup?
My guess is something like:
Duplantis
Freeman
Robertson
Adams
Jordan
Slaughter
Pap
Smith
Breaux
Didn't CPM say that he plans to have Smith lead off? I can't see that right out the gate, but if he does I could see Duplantis moving to the 2 hole and Freeman to the 9 hole (where CPM seems to like him).
My guess is something like:
Duplantis
Freeman
Robertson
Adams
Jordan
Slaughter
Pap
Smith
Breaux
Didn't CPM say that he plans to have Smith lead off? I can't see that right out the gate, but if he does I could see Duplantis moving to the 2 hole and Freeman to the 9 hole (where CPM seems to like him).
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 3:46 pm
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