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re: Danny Etling...LSU's 2016 Insurance plan
Posted on 8/19/15 at 2:40 pm to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 8/19/15 at 2:40 pm to TheCaterpillar
It's still better than Jennings or Harris forcing it down the field every play. He didn't have elite skill players. I don't get how YPA means anything in QB success. Jennings was great at throwing deep bombs but couldn't throw the short dump-offs or slants. Etling can and he actually prefers it to throwing into triple coverage.
At the end of the day, it's freaking Purdue. They've had awful talent for awhile and it wasn't any good while Etling was there. How about we stop writing him off before he's ever played? He wouldn't be on the roster if he wasn't talented.
Oh look the most useless stat in football.
At the end of the day, it's freaking Purdue. They've had awful talent for awhile and it wasn't any good while Etling was there. How about we stop writing him off before he's ever played? He wouldn't be on the roster if he wasn't talented.
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QBR
Oh look the most useless stat in football.
This post was edited on 8/19/15 at 2:41 pm
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Posted on 8/19/15 at 2:41 pm to rmnldr
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At the end of the day, it's freaking Purdue.
And their coach thought the backup at "freaking Purdue" was better than Etling.
Posted on 8/19/15 at 2:43 pm to TheCaterpillar
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At best, he's an average QB with average arm talent who is brand new to this system competing against guys with multiple years in this system, one of which is leading the pack and has far superior arm and leg talent than Etling.
Yeah well Jennings and Harris both played like below average QBs last year. Harris hasn't proven that he can learn the system either. His great arm won't mean anything if he doesn't know the play.
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And their coach thought the backup at "freaking Purdue" was better than Etling.
And Harris has more talent than Jennings. Our backup QB had more potential than the starter. Backup/Starter at his last school doesn't matter anymore.
And if I'm so wrong about Etling, why do the guys on 247 think he could be a pro prospect? I'm just playing devil's advocate here.
This post was edited on 8/19/15 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 8/19/15 at 2:46 pm to rmnldr
Harris was a true freshman and has beaten out Jennings this year after learning the playbook.
Having better players around Etling won't matter as much when the competition is also 100x better.
The kid was not a good QB and was benched. He was in his second year in that system as well.
You saying you don't know why YPA matters proves you have no idea what you're talking about. You saying Etling would "wreck shite" and would be the starter here proves you need a psych eval.
Having better players around Etling won't matter as much when the competition is also 100x better.
The kid was not a good QB and was benched. He was in his second year in that system as well.
You saying you don't know why YPA matters proves you have no idea what you're talking about. You saying Etling would "wreck shite" and would be the starter here proves you need a psych eval.
This post was edited on 8/19/15 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 8/19/15 at 2:47 pm to rmnldr
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And if I'm so wrong about Etling, why do the guys on 247 think he could be a pro prospect?
Because he's 6'4" and Cam Cameron offered him a scholarship. That's why.
They don't do any further research than that on players like this.
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And what do they say about Harris? Not a pro prospect with his 6'2" frame, great athleticism, and cannon arm?
This post was edited on 8/19/15 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 8/19/15 at 2:52 pm to TheCaterpillar
I don't think Etling is the answer either but in fairness he had little help from his team.How many P5 conference teams would Purdue have beaten last year? I'm glad the Tigers picked him up. As the OP states, it was an insurance move only.
Posted on 8/19/15 at 2:53 pm to TheCaterpillar
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You saying you don't know why YPA matters proves you have no idea what you're talking about. You saying Etling would "wreck shite" and would be the starter here proves you need a psych eval.
If I'm a QB and I throw a 4 yard slant pass every play it'll mean I have 4 ypa. That also means that over the course of 3 downs I'm getting a first down every time. If I went through my entire career throwing 4 ypa, does that mean I'm a bad QB? I think you need a "psych eval" if you're going to get this bent about being wrong on a sports message board.
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Because he's 6'4" and Cam Cameron offered him a scholarship. That's why.
They don't do any further research than that on players like this.
This may be the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
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And what do they say about Harris? Not a pro prospect with his 6'2" frame, great athleticism, and cannon arm?
If he can learn how to read defenses and fixes his mechanics he could be a first-round draft pick. But y'know, if I'm going to be like you and judge a QB on his past, I would say BH won't play a down this year.
This post was edited on 8/19/15 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 8/19/15 at 2:53 pm to NotRight37
Well they lost to non p5 teams and really bad P5 teams.
He was a bad QB. There isn't any other way to put it.
He was a bad QB. There isn't any other way to put it.
Posted on 8/19/15 at 2:55 pm to TheCaterpillar
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He was a bad QB. There isn't any other way to put it.
You mean Harris or Jennings?
Posted on 8/19/15 at 2:55 pm to rmnldr
He looks comparable to AJ on film
Posted on 8/19/15 at 2:56 pm to tlsu15
He looks much better than AJ. 
Posted on 8/19/15 at 2:58 pm to rmnldr
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This may be the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
Dumber than saying Etling would "wreck shite" at LSU?
Man, you're really wrong here and its not even worth arguing anymore. How anyone could possibly think the guy benched at Purdue who was a bad QB would come into LSU with no knowledge of the system and not only win the starting job over a much more talented year 2 Brandon Harris who just won the starting job and has a grasp of the playbook, but also "wreck shite" in the SEC West is just outrageous.
Posted on 8/19/15 at 2:59 pm to TheCaterpillar
I'm out of this thread. Its embarrassing we even have to discuss this.
Posted on 8/19/15 at 3:03 pm to TheCaterpillar
He would wreck shite. All he has to do is fricking throw swing passes to our RBs. You underestimate just how big the gap in talent between LSU and Purdue is.
Brandon Harris hasn't won shite. And since you're basing Etling's entire career of off his worst performances, I could say the same thing about Harris. Harris may still be calling timeouts because he doesn't know the play at all. Harris could still be turning the wrong way when handing the ball off.
What if Etling just happens to be the smartest guy in that QB room and already has the scheme down?
Once again, I'm playing devil's advocate but damn you're fixed on the rant's agenda of Harris being a heisman QB in practice.
I agree. Go play with your action figures while grown-ups talk.
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come into LSU with no knowledge of the system and not only win the starting job over a much more talented year 2 Brandon Harris who just won the starting job and has a grasp of the playbook
Brandon Harris hasn't won shite. And since you're basing Etling's entire career of off his worst performances, I could say the same thing about Harris. Harris may still be calling timeouts because he doesn't know the play at all. Harris could still be turning the wrong way when handing the ball off.
What if Etling just happens to be the smartest guy in that QB room and already has the scheme down?
Once again, I'm playing devil's advocate but damn you're fixed on the rant's agenda of Harris being a heisman QB in practice.
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I'm out of this thread. Its embarrassing we even have to discuss this.
I agree. Go play with your action figures while grown-ups talk.
This post was edited on 8/19/15 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 8/19/15 at 3:08 pm to rmnldr
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He looks much better than AJ.
His athleticism is probably slightly worse. His pocket presence doesn't seem great. You can't compare stats because he didn't play the same level of competition or have the same talent around him. The only thing he definitely does better is he doesn't overthrow the intermediate routes.
He's not a bad QB prospect by any means. But I just don't see how you can say he's head and shoulders above what we already have.
Posted on 8/19/15 at 3:12 pm to TheCaterpillar
Surely Harris is indestructible , Jennings has vastly improved, McMillan is up to speed , , , throwing check downs to the playmakers in this team vs. throwing it away or taking a sack is surely a bad thing, QBs with limited arm talent surely can't win on the right team, QBs that suck one place will always suck. Just to name a few but anyway,,,,bye
Posted on 8/19/15 at 3:13 pm to rmnldr
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If I'm a QB and I throw a 4 yard slant pass every play it'll mean I have 4 ypa.
Yeah, if you complete 100% of your passes. However, if you only complete 50% of your passes you would have 2 YPA. And doing that, you would have to throw the ball 20 times to get a first down.
Posted on 8/19/15 at 3:15 pm to tlsu15
He isn't head and shoulders better than what we have. I just think that he is a better game manager than what we have and the coaching staff wouldn't shy away from starting him over Jennings and Harris.
If we're basing everything off of what we saw from all three QBs last year, I would've taken Etling over BH and AJ.
I really do hope that BH develops into a stud though. I'll become an alcoholic if I have to see so much talent wasted by incompetent QB/WR talent again.
I was trying to say that YPA is a dumb stat though. TDs/INTs are all that matter to me.
If we're basing everything off of what we saw from all three QBs last year, I would've taken Etling over BH and AJ.
I really do hope that BH develops into a stud though. I'll become an alcoholic if I have to see so much talent wasted by incompetent QB/WR talent again.
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Yeah, if you complete 100% of your passes. However, if you only complete 50% of your passes you would have 2 YPA. And doing that, you would have to throw the ball 20 times to get a first down.
I was trying to say that YPA is a dumb stat though. TDs/INTs are all that matter to me.
This post was edited on 8/19/15 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 8/19/15 at 3:18 pm to jptiger2009
Rob Bolden
Posted on 8/19/15 at 3:23 pm to rmnldr
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He isn't head and shoulders better than what we have.
You said he would "wreck shite" in the SEC West in year 1 in this system.
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I just think that he is a better game manager than what we have
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If we're basing everything off of what we saw from all three QBs last year, I would've taken Etling over BH and AJ.
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TDs/INTs are all that matter to me.
Brandon Harris (as a true freshman and year 1 in system) :
55.6% Comp, 6 TDs, 2 INT, 3 sacks, Adj QBR 69.0
Danny Etling (as a sophomore and year 2 in system) :
54.9% Comp, 6 TDs, 5 INT, 11 sacks, Adj QBR 30.5
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