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re: Danny Etling is 3rd in SEC in QB Rating through 9 weeks
Posted on 10/24/17 at 12:56 pm to Chet Donnely
Posted on 10/24/17 at 12:56 pm to Chet Donnely
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But to act like it's good enough means our expectations are a little low.
Good enough compared to whom? He is one of the better QB's in the SEC. The good teams in the SEC just don't throw it a ton.
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Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:10 pm to Chet Donnely
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But to act like it's good enough means our expectations are a little low.
What do you want? Would you trade a few more INTs for more meaningless passing yards?
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
So all there is between 68th and 1st in the country is a few more meaningless yards and more interceptions? Ok. If y’all are happy, congrats. But that doesn’t mean it’s unreasonable to hope the passing game improves.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:18 pm to Chet Donnely
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68th in the country. Again, I'm not saying he or our passing offense is terrible. But to act like it's good enough means our expectations are a little low.
Only two teams in the SEC rank in the top 50 in the country in passing offense, with Ole Miss at 11 and Auburn at 50. On the other hand, 8 rank in the top 50 in passing defense.
It is possible that one has something to do with the other.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:22 pm to jrodLSUke
Since 2001, LSU has had a parade of poor quarterback play mainly due to a recruiting the wrong type of quarterback for the offensive scheme they were asked to perform within and a failure to develop them once they were within the program.
With that said, Danny Etling is suffering somewhat from the past ills at his position. He has done an adequate job managing the offense against most of our opponents.
His problems seem to arise when he is forced into decision making scenarios once the first option has been eliminated. From there, bad things just pile on themselves.
As has been stated on a number of occasions, his offensive line is not doing him any favors and a lack of experienced WRs hurts his numbers. However, he did not have either of those issues last season and the results were remarkably the same.
I hope he has the game of this life versus Alabama and the Tigers come out of Tuscaloosa with a victory. However, history is not on Danny Etling's side in that regard.
With that said, Danny Etling is suffering somewhat from the past ills at his position. He has done an adequate job managing the offense against most of our opponents.
His problems seem to arise when he is forced into decision making scenarios once the first option has been eliminated. From there, bad things just pile on themselves.
As has been stated on a number of occasions, his offensive line is not doing him any favors and a lack of experienced WRs hurts his numbers. However, he did not have either of those issues last season and the results were remarkably the same.
I hope he has the game of this life versus Alabama and the Tigers come out of Tuscaloosa with a victory. However, history is not on Danny Etling's side in that regard.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:23 pm to StupidBinder
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Every single “good” QB in the country has plays like this. Are we supposed to be cherry picking their stats too?
Every single "good" QB in the country is throwing the ball 25-30+ times per game. Their offenses rely on their good QBs to succeed.
Etling has been efficient this year, and if he keeps it up, we'll be fine. Questioning whether he'll keep up that efficiency is perfectly logical, especially when swing passes and shovel passes are help buoy his 19 attempts per game.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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So, your stats are meaningful but the stats showing Etling is having a good year or "moral victories?"
Yes, my stats are more relevant. Etling leads an offense that is 86 in Passing O despite the support of a Running O ranked 28. You are arguing that a rating based on Cmp% and how many INT's you throw is a more accurate measure than how many points Etling scores. What am I missing?
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:36 pm to Mr. Wayne
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Yes, my stats are more relevant. Etling leads an offense that is 86 in Passing O
So, if LSU throws 10 times a game, completes 6 for 100 yards and wins, it's really important?
It's not. Efficiency is FAR more important.
If you want to complain about red zone offense, you have a gripe. The rest of this anti Etling crap is pure low IQ nonsense.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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What do you want? Would you trade a few more INTs for more meaningless passing yards?
I don't think anyone would answer yes the way you stated your question. However, if LSU is running a more balanced offense and the result has a pickoff in it now and then, I wouldn't be disappointed in the strategy. Especially if the young man taking the snaps is capable of delivering the ball so that a significant portion of the field isn't off limits within the passing game.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:44 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Efficiency is FAR more important.
I agree, but efficiency that isn't accompanied by volume can be misleading about a player's overall value.
Etling has been efficient doing what he's asked to do, but any sane fan realizes he isn't asked to do very much.
If/when he's asked to do more, it's reasonable to question whether he can do it.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:46 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The rest of this anti Etling crap is pure low IQ nonsense.
That is a ridiculous statement. As if you and a few others here have cornered the market on intelligence with respect the football insights.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:49 pm to Dallasgrowl
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The rest of this anti Etling crap is pure low IQ nonsense.
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That is a ridiculous statement
Of course you would think it is.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:51 pm to slackster
can be
How are you determining value here, minus efficiency?
The "eye test?" We all know that's subjective as hell.
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misleading about a player's overall value.
How are you determining value here, minus efficiency?
The "eye test?" We all know that's subjective as hell.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Of course you would think it is.
Of course I do because it is a load of crap. Keep patting yourself on the back.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:53 pm to Dallasgrowl
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because it is a load of crap
Whats a load of crap? 9.3 yards per attempt? 3rd in SEC? 17th in the country? One Int?
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:56 pm to slackster
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Every single "good" QB in the country is throwing the ball 25-30+ times per game. Their offenses rely on their good QBs to succeed.
Etling has been efficient this year, and if he keeps it up, we'll be fine. Questioning whether he'll keep up that efficiency is perfectly logical, especially when swing passes and shovel passes are help buoy his 19 attempts per game.
I don’t think there is anything wrong with questioning whether he could remain as efficient if we aired it out more.
What I take issue with is this distortion of reality that some people on this board engage in to argue that Etling is a bad QB. He’s simply not. He’s not great but he’s not awful either.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 1:59 pm to StupidBinder
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that some people on this board engage in to argue that Etling is a bad QB. He’s simply not. He’s not great but he’s not awful either.
This is correct. He could be better in some areas, he could be worse in some areas.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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How are you determining value here, minus efficiency? The "eye test?" We all know that's subjective as hell.
I want to see efficiency AND volume before I say someone is a good QB.
Mason Rudolph is #1 in yards per game, #3 in passer rating, and is throwing it 34 times per game. I know he's a good QB.
Baker Mayfield is #5 in yards per game, #1 in passer rating, and is throwing it 29 times per game. I know he's a good QB too.
All I know about Fromm is that he's efficient, but asked to do very little. Same with Etling.
Hell, look at Jalen Hurts. We're sitting here thinking the Alabama passing game is their biggest weakness, but it's insulting to think Etling is a weakness too? If it's fair to question Hurts, it's more than fair to do the same to Etling.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:00 pm to Macavity92
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Only two teams in the SEC rank in the top 50 in the country in passing offense, with Ole Miss at 11 and Auburn at 50. On the other hand, 8 rank in the top 50 in passing defense.
100% correct. The SEC's only "very good" teams are Bama and Georgia. Both of these schools are top 25 in Scoring Offense, something I feel is much more indicative to a great O. I couldn't care less about how we score as long as we score. I'll line up to bow before Etling if he led us to a top 25 Scoring O.
Posted on 10/24/17 at 2:01 pm to StupidBinder
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What I take issue with is this distortion of reality that some people on this board engage in to argue that Etling is a bad QB. He’s simply not. He’s not great but he’s not awful either.
He's wholly average, and if you surround him with a team like 2011 LSU, that would probably be enough.
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