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re: Current list of LSU's early entrants to NFL Draft.... (UPDATED OP)
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:13 am to Choupique19
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:13 am to Choupique19
People need to stop mistaking patience and understanding the cycles, ebbs and flows of a football program for some blind love of Les. I agree these last two years are troubling with respect to juniors leaving. If we don't make a couple of splashes on NSD, drop another 3 losses and have more juniors leave next year, it's time to start asking some serious questions about Les and his staff. But let's just wait a second before we chop the head off the snake and roll the dice in hopes that we get another slam dunk head coaching hire. Because those don't happen all the time FWIW.
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Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:13 am to Choupique19
quote:Link?
If Les Miles says guys leaving early is the norm, you guys lap it up.
quote:Which statistics? I'll ask you. Of the guys that left early last year, who should've stayed and why?
Statistics be damned.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:13 am to BT
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TJackson didn't dominate LOL
he didn't dominate, I don't know who you were watching
quote:
Fact is LSU losing players early like this at the rate we have past 2 years sucks and is a problem.
Yeah, it sucks for LSU. But I have no problem with the kids leaving. I'm not going to tell a kid to not pursue his dream for my own selfish reasons.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:15 am to PropofoLSU
I didn't lead the March for Miles, I'm drawing a blank on which poster started that. But that was good stuff.
I'm not as big of a Miles basher as my posting represents, but once you start arguing a point, you get backed into a corner pretty quickly.
I'm not as big of a Miles basher as my posting represents, but once you start arguing a point, you get backed into a corner pretty quickly.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:17 am to Choupique19
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If Les Miles says guys leaving early is the norm, you guys lap it up. Statistics be damned.
Statistics be damned? You mean like each of those guys making $405K in 2013?
quote:
LSU is well on its way to lead the nation for the second year in a row
Who that has declared so far this year is a surprise? It isn't a surprise to lose a guy like Beckham or Landry.
quote:
All that NFL talent, and 3 losses to show for it.
Yeah because having the most NFL talent, directly correlates to winning every single game in college and everything.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:19 am to Sal Minella
quote:see my other post about getting into the 1st round, or getting into the top 10. You could argue that the guys on the margins of these (Minter improving up to lower 1st round) may have been able to make the next tier up by staying a year. There are real, tangible benefits to that.
Which one did it not make sense for and why?
Then there are the obvious stupid ones like Wing.
The undrafted ones who do make a team (Faulk, M.Ford) probably come out *better*, one could argue, than the guys drafted in the lowest rounds who are stuck in 4-year lower tier contracts. Undrafted guys sign 3-year deals.
But, basically, saying there is no difference between a 5th rounder and a 2nd rounder now under the new CBA is just blatantly false. You get more money (not as much as previously, obviously... but still usually 10-20% increase per round), and you can argue for more signing bonus.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:19 am to BT
This entire thread is premature. Lets just wait and see exactly how many players actually leave early from LSU relative to other schools. If there is a signifigant difference between LSU and other top schools then we can whine and mone about it. Lets just slow down a bit.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:21 am to Sal Minella
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Link?
Every single one of these "New CBA" posters on this site. I've seen more "new CBA" responses on this site in the last week than you can shake a stick at. It's as if the LSU players are clued in to some top secret information that the rest of college football isn't aware of.
Let's wait and see, but if LSU early entries outnumber the rest of college football again, then we have an issue.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:21 am to BT
quote:Look at his numbers. Also, his draft stock didn't shoot up until a few weeks before the draft. If i remember correctly, that year was fairly weak.
(TJackson didn't dominate LOL)
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:24 am to BT
Everyone needs to read the article from yesterday on AL.COM in regard to early entrants to nfl at Bama. Nick saban pretty much has to give his seal of approval. He stated teh facts are of the players that receive a second round grade, 53% of them go undrafted!!!! That is with second round grades, it is much worse with lower round grades!!! This is why they are not suffering the attrition we are!!! they have 10 elgible this year to leave and only maybe 2 will be given approval!!
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:24 am to Choupique19
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then we have an issue.
And how would you fix this so-called issue?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:25 am to PurpleAndGold86
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It isn't a surprise to lose a guy like Beckham or Landry
Beckham, Landry, and Hill all had great years and proved themselves NFL ready.
Not a single other underclassman performed that way this year. Both defensive tackles lived off of reputation, not production this year, except for Freak in the bowl game.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:27 am to Choupique19
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Not a single other underclassman performed that way this year.
like others have pointed out
It is not all about production
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:29 am to Salmon
I still can't believe how few on this thread talk about the REAL possibility of a career ending injury. If I'm told that by staying I might gain a couple hundred grand per year but, I'm also risking getting zero when the floor otherwise is $405k, that is a pretty scary risk
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:40 am to Choupique19
Ok since you don't agree with the argument for leaving what is your argument for staying? What do you want the staff to say to these kids who want to leave? LSU entry total looks around 6-8 underclassmen just for numbers sake. Do you actually think that the new CBA does not effect the decision now? See my previous post in this thread. To the OP: I understand what you are saying about the options during the later end of the contract for a new player but I don't think returning can guarantee that a pick can move from low 1st to top 10, just too many variables.
This post was edited on 1/6/14 at 10:41 am
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:42 am to clamdip
quote:That's what I'm asking. Who was going to vault to the 1st round. Minter was being projected post-combine as a possible late 1st rounder.
see my other post about getting into the 1st round, or getting into the top 10.
Would Faulk (injured), Ford or Ware have improved their draft stock? Only 8 RBs were drafted in the first 3 rounds last year.
Logan maybe could've slipped into the second round.
Simon was the most questionable of the early entrants in my opinion but maybe college wasn't for him. And he made $611,000 last year (base salary + $200K bonus).
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:55 am to StormTiger
quote:quote:.
Meh. They'll always be Tigers, but I really don't care if we have 11 or 0 DBs in the league
guess you are a fan of 6-6 seasons then...
I admitted my "11 to 0" comment was a little extreme, but I don't get how the amount of DBs in the NFL determines our record.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:59 am to Choupique19
I was asking for a link to this statement "If Les Miles says guys leaving early is the norm, you guys lap it up."
I'm a "new CBA" guy. It's going to affect college football and already is.
Early entrants by year:
2009-49
2010-53
2011-56
New CBA
2012-65
2013-73
That's a 28% increase since the new CBA has come into effect compared to a 14% increase for the 3 years prior to the new CBA.
I'm a "new CBA" guy. It's going to affect college football and already is.
Early entrants by year:
2009-49
2010-53
2011-56
New CBA
2012-65
2013-73
That's a 28% increase since the new CBA has come into effect compared to a 14% increase for the 3 years prior to the new CBA.
quote:I agree to some extent.
Let's wait and see, but if LSU early entries outnumber the rest of college football again, then we have an issue.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:13 am to Choupique19
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Not a single other underclassman performed that way this year. Both defensive tackles lived off of reputation, not production this year, except for Freak in the bowl game.
Welcome to the world of scouting where production doesn't mean much (if anything). If production was so important Jordan Lynch would be one of the first picks in the draft. Check back in April and see where he falls in the draft.
Freak and Ego clearly have the tools that it takes to have success in the NFL. The scouts recognize that. Hence the reason why they are rated highly.
Production is not a gauge of draft projections. It isn't a hard concept. That's like the other poster who tried to prove me wrong by posting the first team all SEC team.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:27 am to clamdip
Let them all go if they want to. It looks that much better when recruiting kids when they watch the NFL line ups on Sunday and see a shite ton of LSU players. These kids owe the fans and this university nothing. Let them get paid and live their life long dream. Will some fail, sure, but you never know if you don't try. End of Rant.
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