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re: Curley Hallman years at LSU?
Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:03 am to CharlesLSU
Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:03 am to CharlesLSU
Hey Charles, my dad talk all the time about the Arnsparger, Archer, Hallman years and let me say I wanted Archer fired, no doubt.
But if I had known that Hallman was what was coming afterwards, I would have rather had Archer work through the problems and see if he could get them fixed.
Archer never missed a coaching paycheck.......Hallman is teaching 5th grade history right now.
But that first Hallman team was sooooo friggin bad that it seemed obvious to me that we didn't have players. Like when Smoke started losing in baseball....it was eyeball obvious the caliber of player had dramatically dropped off. That's how I arrived at Archer's recruiting.
But if I had known that Hallman was what was coming afterwards, I would have rather had Archer work through the problems and see if he could get them fixed.
Archer never missed a coaching paycheck.......Hallman is teaching 5th grade history right now.
But that first Hallman team was sooooo friggin bad that it seemed obvious to me that we didn't have players. Like when Smoke started losing in baseball....it was eyeball obvious the caliber of player had dramatically dropped off. That's how I arrived at Archer's recruiting.
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 10:05 am
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Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:04 am to Chd1478
Why are we re-hashing the worst period of LSU football in it's history?
Hallman stunk as a coach and yes he was hitting co-eds left and right. Ugly doesn't matter when you have power
Hallman stunk as a coach and yes he was hitting co-eds left and right. Ugly doesn't matter when you have power
Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:08 am to danfraz
simmons, I can respect your perspective and you are pretty insightful.....don't misinterprete my comments as a knock on you. 1991 was a bad year....1992 even worse.
fraz, right on.
fraz, right on.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:14 am to Chd1478
I was at ACME Oyster House in the Quarter one night, when he got drunk and then left without paying his tab. The bartender, who I know, was pissed of course.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:15 am to CharlesLSU
The reason I like talking about it, those were my late high school and college years and I was VERY much into LSU football.....even though we sucked for a vast part of them. So I like rehashing the bad years because we have good times now and have the last 10 years roughly. If we hadn't had a good 10 years, trust me, I wouldn't want to rehash those Hallman years so much.
One more story.....I can't exactly remember the year but Hallman was DB coach at Bama....under DuBose maybe. We go to Bama for the LSU/Bama game and were at the stadium very early......drinking of course with all our LSU gear on.
I'll be damned if Curley doesn't come walking up heading into the stadium......one of us yells at him, "Hey Curley...." and he waves. But the funny thing was he had dyed his hair JET black.....I mean the darkest shade of black you can find. It looked like a toupee that was painted on......the guy was a walking disaster after he left LSU.
I often wonder if somebody would ask him if knowing what he knows now, if he would have stayed at Southern Miss rather than come to LSU. The guy could probably still be coaching at USM, still have his wife and kids maybe. He lost everything in BR.
And Charles, no offense taken.
One more story.....I can't exactly remember the year but Hallman was DB coach at Bama....under DuBose maybe. We go to Bama for the LSU/Bama game and were at the stadium very early......drinking of course with all our LSU gear on.
I'll be damned if Curley doesn't come walking up heading into the stadium......one of us yells at him, "Hey Curley...." and he waves. But the funny thing was he had dyed his hair JET black.....I mean the darkest shade of black you can find. It looked like a toupee that was painted on......the guy was a walking disaster after he left LSU.
I often wonder if somebody would ask him if knowing what he knows now, if he would have stayed at Southern Miss rather than come to LSU. The guy could probably still be coaching at USM, still have his wife and kids maybe. He lost everything in BR.
And Charles, no offense taken.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:34 am to CharlesLSU
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With all the coaches pets, the perspectives you get will vary by player........your sources may have been pets.
Yes and no. I knew four of the five guys I listed and some other guys on the team. I guess they really hated Phil Parker.
Another thing about Curley is that he ran a clean program well as clean as you can get in big time college football. He out-recruited programs that cheated for many of his players.
Say what you want about Curley's personal life he did to his best ability run a clean program and have mostly good character guys though there were some incidents that never got out the fact that he fan a clean program meant that no one really had any reason to out the dirty laundry and there wasn't that much.
LSU did have a clean program and Curley was an honest man in the big picture of the program.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:42 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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Yes and no. I knew four of the five guys I listed and some other guys on the team. I guess they really hated Phil Parker.
Another thing about Curley is that he ran a clean program well as clean as you can get in big time college football. He out-recruited programs that cheated for many of his players.
Say what you want about Curley's personal life he did to his best ability run a clean program and have mostly good character guys though there were some incidents that never got out the fact that he fan a clean program meant that no one really had any reason to out the dirty laundry and there wasn't that much.
LSU did have a clean program and Curley was an honest man in the big picture of the program.
Do you mean Phil Bennett? He was the last coach I ever had chew my arse....
If you mean clean as in not paying players personally, then ok but ignorance to other's actions is no excuse. 9/10 infractions are committed by other outside of the administration.
Also, stupidity many times presents itself as honesty to the naked eye so be careful.
Lastly, if a college version of a Code Red is issued resulting in a player being unable to ever play again, would you consider that honest?
(Eddie Kennison, Denard Walker, Wade Richey, Tori James, Alan Faneca)
I am older than all of these guys.....
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 10:44 am
Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:48 am to CharlesLSU
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Do you mean Phil Bennett? He was the last coach I ever had chew my arse....
Yeah I'm sorry Phil Bennett. Guys hated him. Bennet's choice of words in motivating players would get him in big trouble with the women's studies department.
yes players weren't paid by Curley. But during his time programs like Oklahoma had some funny stuff going on. Like recruits being told to call some guy by the assistant coaches before he makes a decision.
Yes Curley was stupid, but I do qualify his "honesty" in the context of big time college fb in the SEC, SWC, and Big 12 at the time.
As far as the code red, I don't know what you're talking about and I'll take your word for it, but what Curley did was not that much different from his peers at the time.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 11:00 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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As far as the code red, I don't know what you're talking about and I'll take your word for it, but what Curley did was not that much different from his peers at the time.
Not trying to be a nay sayer, but I was in contact with guys from Bama and UF......Stallings and Spurrier did things much differently. Just sayin'
...sorry, but I fricking hate Hallman. I didn't hate Archer.
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 11:01 am
Posted on 7/15/09 at 11:06 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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Years from now Hallman will remember how hard his last LSU team played on this forlorn afternoon. After spotting Arkansas a 6-0 first-quarter advantage, LSU comes back to lead by 9-6 at halftime. In the third quarter the Tigers take control, stopping the Razorbacks on fourth-and-one at the Tiger 11, and then scoring on a 47-yard pass play from quarterback Jamie Howard to split end Brett Bech. The final score is 30-12, LSU.
It's been years from his last game.
I don't remember what I was drinking during this one and I couldn't have told you we won.
All of us that went through this shite knows not to complain when we go 8-4 after winning 2 Natl Titles.
You have to be in it for the moment or time period, because it can go away and then you'll be
Last Call
Posted on 7/15/09 at 11:12 am to CharlesLSU
I agree with you Charles.
And for anyone who thought about coaches pay in the early 90's was high or good pay.
$90,000
And for anyone who thought about coaches pay in the early 90's was high or good pay.
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When LSU lost to Southern Miss on Nov. 12 to plunge to 2-7, Dean and chancellor Bud Davis decided to buy out the final year of Hallman's $90,000-a-year contract.
$90,000
Posted on 7/15/09 at 11:21 am to Peachtree Tiger
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was at ACME Oyster House in the Quarter one night, when he got drunk and then left without paying his tab. The bartender, who I know, was pissed of course.
I had heard that exact story from the husband of a bartender there. Husbands initials were T.B.
My only personal goofy story about Curley involved a golf outing. I was taking lessons out at CCL one afternoon and Curley comes over to watch me swing for a few minutes. I was 16 years old at the time, but even then I could tell maybe a few screws were loose in his head. It was a pants only policy in place back then if I remember correctly and he showed up in yello Riddel coaches shorts with purple and yellow socks pulled up to his knees.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 11:22 am to CharlesLSU
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I fricking hate Hallman. I didn't hate Archer.
This sums up everything I have ever heard. Neither of them was a good head coach, but Archer was a good person while Hallman was borderline evil.
I'd love to have a beer with Mike Archer ... can't same the same thing about Hallman.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 11:27 am to GOP_Tiger
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I'd love to have a beer with Mike Archer ... can't same the same thing about Hallman.
Agree on having a beer with Archer.
I'd have a beer with Hallman too though, making sure to dump some cyanide in his before he too a sip
Posted on 7/15/09 at 11:32 am to Chd1478
If Hallman would have played Fanica Spell? and Kendell Cleveland and not redshirted them. He would have had a winning season in 94.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 1:22 pm to LSU9102
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$90,000
Yes 90 was the base, but he got income from camps and the Curley Hallman show and the tv show.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 1:42 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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When LSU hired him in 1990 to revive its football program, Hallman was considered one of the hottest coaches in the nation. He had been on national championship staffs at Clemson and Alabama, and in his first job as a head coach he had guided Southern Mississippi to records of 10-2, 5-6 and 8-3. "We've got the right man," said Tiger athletic director Joe Dean at the time.
Had no idea Hallman was a hot commodity.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 1:45 pm to c on z
Posted on 7/15/09 at 2:02 pm to c on z
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here's a guy's opinion of Hallman
his name is Robert Davis
I think Davis has no one but himself to blame. He was given second chances at LSU for his academics and for FB. He had opportunities to make impressions at practice. Sure he didn't get much playing time on the field, but he was given chances in the program. Curley did give second chances to the vast majority of players who needed it.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 2:11 pm to c on z
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Had no idea Hallman was a hot commodity.
Yes he was. He was considered one of the best coaches available at the time. You can spend all day talking about why Curley didn't make it. He had everything going for him coming in, but things just happened. What doomed Curley in my opinion wasn't the off the field stuff it was the gameday decisions and game prepration that hurt him. He was not well-served by many of his assistants.
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