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re: Crowton says "No, it wasn't my offense"
Posted on 8/28/11 at 6:56 pm to Adam Banks
Posted on 8/28/11 at 6:56 pm to Adam Banks
QBs were not developed. If there wasn't much to work with, I am sure he had input on recruitment, so he can't dodge that bullet. However, the fact that he was doing the play calling from the booth and that the QB and the rest of the team had to wait forever for a damned play to be called IS partially on him. It is also partially on Miles for either letting it happen or contributing to it. I am glad Miles is having success, but I am really not happy about the increased buyout on his new contract. Not that it matters, just having my say.
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Posted on 8/28/11 at 7:00 pm to Placebeaux
To the contrary, Saban also prescribes to solid D and special teams, conservative O. Two of the highest paid HC's in college football. Must be something to it.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 7:04 pm to Choctaw
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i believe he's had some input...he is the HC. My only issue is if he does have all this input....why doesn't he get any credit for '05, '06, '07, and even '08 to a certain extent. And is it just the offense or does he also have input in the defense?
I don't know. I suppose asking a person who has trouble giving Miles credit would get you a better answer. I have never had a problem giving credit when deserved, or admitting when I am wrong or have been convinced to the contrary. Miles showed me a lot last season.
I think what he did though was show that he figured out how to work around a muted offense. Not sure you will ever see a wide open LSU offense again under Miles.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 8:30 pm to just me
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Offense was overly premised upon package and formation.
Offense was not premised upon player talent and abilities.
Offense was not based upon effectiveness or defensive response.
During and after 2008, the vertical passing game was overly restrained and unimaginative.
Passing reads were too complicated.
Offense took too long to operate.
Pretty good summary.
IMO, Crowton "engineered" the O in '07 and '08. And in all fairness to Crowton, the '08 O scored enough points in every game except OM. Big problem was that Hatch-Lee-Jefferson ('08) =/= Flynn-Perrilloux ('07) and GC never seemed to alter course. Also, Les was ok with the wide-open approach in '07 because we had a Sr. QB and Pelini around. IOW, it worked. Big miscalculation on Les's part with the Malleveto debacle in '08.
Contrary to many, Les understands the game very well. Got his '08 education and didn't want to repeat his mistakes on either side of the ball. So after '08 he installed restrictor plates on GC. GC may have called the plays the last three years but it was Les who "engineered" the O.
Bottom line: GC wasn't a very good OC with the restrictions Les put on him. Win-win for him to leave and Les to stay.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 8:34 pm to tigerskin
I can't believe people still question this fact.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 8:35 pm to diehardfan
So the rumors were true....hummm
Posted on 8/28/11 at 8:35 pm to intj
Yes but once Saban steps on the neck he doesn't like to take his foot off. He always preached about finishing teams off.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 8:37 pm to AlwysATgr
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Bottom line: GC wasn't a very good OC with the restrictions Les put on him. Win-win for him to leave and Les to stay.
was that also his problem at BYU and Oregon?
Posted on 8/28/11 at 8:37 pm to diehardfan
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I can't believe people still question this fact.
I can't believe people don't notice trends when it is well documented that Crowton can't develop a qb and his offensive numbers tank the longer he is at a school.
But the self loathing Miles haters like diehardfan are too stupid to see that.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 8:39 pm to Placebeaux
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Placebeaux
You must have missed the Auburn/Alabama game last season when Saban shite the bed.
This post was edited on 8/28/11 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 8/28/11 at 8:43 pm to BeeFense5
You can't win them all. One of those days. 
Posted on 8/28/11 at 8:52 pm to BeeFense5
If the offense didn't change when we hired a new OC, that would lead me to believe we are running Miles' offense.
If the offense would have changed, all of our QBs would have been learning a new system at the same time but we have been told over and over that JJ and Lee have been in the offense years over Mettenberger. That would also lead me to believe we are running and have always been running Miles' offense.
I wouldn't expect a dumb arse like you to understand that. Crowton was the scapegoat and now Miles has a new one to blame any offensive problems on, even though he will still be involved in the play calling.
If the offense would have changed, all of our QBs would have been learning a new system at the same time but we have been told over and over that JJ and Lee have been in the offense years over Mettenberger. That would also lead me to believe we are running and have always been running Miles' offense.
I wouldn't expect a dumb arse like you to understand that. Crowton was the scapegoat and now Miles has a new one to blame any offensive problems on, even though he will still be involved in the play calling.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 8:53 pm to Placebeaux
Kidding?
Posted on 8/28/11 at 8:58 pm to diehardfan
quote:You can not be serious!
If the offense didn't change when we hired a new OC, that would lead me to believe we are running Miles' offense. If the offense would have changed, all of our QBs would have been learning a new system at the same time but we have been told over and over that JJ and Lee have been in the offense years over Mettenberger. That would also lead me to believe we are running and have always been running Miles' offense. I wouldn't expect a dumb arse like you to understand that. Crowton was the scapegoat and now Miles has a new one to blame any offensive problems on, even though he will still be involved in the play calling.
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Notice a trend?
This post was edited on 8/28/11 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 8/28/11 at 9:02 pm to diehardfan
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I wouldn't expect a dumb arse like you to understand that. Crowton was the scapegoat and now Miles has a new one to blame any offensive problems on, even though he will still be involved in the play calling
show me a coach who doesn't have final say so on a play call. I am sure I will be hearing nothing but crickets.
Qb development was horrid under Crowton. His job was to develop qbs and he failed miserably. Just like at every other stop he had. The poor qb play directly led to poor execution of the play calls.
You and the other miserable pussies on here that want to blame miles for everything and give him credit for nothing look embarrassingly silly when he sits a top a loaded team with so much talent coming in the pipeline and has won 62 games in 6 years, coming off another 11 win top 10 ranked season. And going into this season top 5.
Now if you choose to believe in rant myths and consume yourself with irrational and nonsensical miles hate then that's your choice. Embarrassing and illogical. But that's your choice.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 9:04 pm to That LSU Guy
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That LSU Guy
Don't show diehardfan any facts. He will just spit all over himself and babble about retarded rant myths because he is a mouth breathing dumbass just like a lot of others on here.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 9:12 pm to AlwysATgr
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Bottom line: GC wasn't a very good OC with the restrictions Les put on him. Win-win for him to leave and Les to stay.
I don't think you can totally blame Gary Crowton in this situation. Not a Crowton fan, but there was no way for him and Les Miles to be successful together once RP left the program.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 9:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't think you can totally blame Gary Crowton in this situation. Not a Crowton fan, but there was no way for him and Les Miles to be successful together once RP left the program.
as the old saying goes, it's not Crowton's fault Les hired him. Les' biggest faults are 1)thinking he can build a great offense that features both a pro-style running game with a spread passing game, and 2)not seeing it when it isn't working, thus thinking the key is to just keep working on it.
I've watched Crowton since the La Tech days, however, and in many cases his offense never gets into a flow. It seems he thinks since he has 85 calls on the play sheet, all 85 have to be called.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 9:30 pm to ForeLSU
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I've watched Crowton since the La Tech days, however, and in many cases his offense never gets into a flow. It seems he thinks since he has 85 calls on the play sheet, all 85 have to be called.
It did appear that the LSU offense would go through this progression of plays that seemingly didn't make a whole lot of sense to the casual viewer. It was definitely frustrating. I don't know much about the dynamics though, except what I have heard from a few people who I believe.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 9:30 pm to ForeLSU
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BYU and Oregon
I'm not familiar enough with the finer points of either of these (nor his stint at LaTech and the Bears). Had RP stayed who knows how different our O would have been in '08-'09.
Point is that GC likes a risker, wide-open appraoch than does Les. With Flynn it obviously worked.
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