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re: Comparing LSU QBs: Mauck, Russell, Flynn, Lee, Jefferson
Posted on 11/26/11 at 4:44 pm to theunknownknight
Posted on 11/26/11 at 4:44 pm to theunknownknight
quote:Crowton used almost exclusively Fisher's system for the first year that Crowton was here.
Yeah YOU TELL'EM. Crowton didn't start at LSU until 2008.
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Posted on 11/26/11 at 4:46 pm to theunknownknight
Unknowing knight when not knighting for lee guards the board against any praise being given to JJ. 
Posted on 11/26/11 at 4:46 pm to just me
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Crowton used almost exclusively Fisher's system for the first year that Crowton was here.
Oh yeah the ole' "use the previous year's system bc that's what the upperclassmen are more comfortable with" argument. So...are we utilizing parts of Crowton's system this year or are we just being convenient?
This post was edited on 11/26/11 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 11/26/11 at 4:47 pm to theunknownknight
quote:The team's ultimate goal is to score points.
Well what's the QB's ultimate goal? Field goals? three and outs?
The QBs job is to contribute to that goal by whatever means the coaches request.
Jefferson throws passes for a lot of touchdowns. Jefferson also runs for a lot of touchdowns.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 4:49 pm to just me
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Jefferson throws passes for a lot of touchdowns. Jefferson also runs for a lot of touchdowns.
uh...you may wanna re-reference your own stats buddy. I guess you forgot he only threw 4 TDs all of last regular season?
Posted on 11/26/11 at 4:50 pm to just me
I also noticed you left off number of games played/minutes played.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 4:50 pm to just me
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Jefferson clearly has the second best senior year.
Nice break down but I will disagree with Jefferson "clearly" having the second best senior year.
His first two starts and the majority of his playing time were against 2 of the three weakest teams on the schedule.
So I can't give you that one. Had Lee gotten the starts and playing time against Western KY and Ole Miss...he would have more TD passes and a better rating.
Level of competition matters.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 4:51 pm to LSUPHILLY72
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Level of competition matters.
Since when???
Posted on 11/26/11 at 4:52 pm to theunknownknight
quote:Oh, so you do recognize that it happens a lot. I was beginning to think that you truly were a simpleton.
Oh yeah the ole' "use the previous year's system bc that's what the upperclassmen are more comfortable with" argument.
quote:How many package changes have YOU seen in 2011? How fricked up is the offense? How many times does the QB barely have time to get off a snap.
So...are we utilizing parts of Crowton's system this year or are we just being convenient?
No, LSU is not using Crowton's system in 2011. Most of the plays LSU runs were in the Crowton playbook, it's just that the playbook was significantly pared back.
Oh, and LSU runs a LOT more play action, and LSU sets up plays MUCH better this year.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 4:52 pm to theunknownknight
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I guess you forgot he only threw 4 TDs all of last regular season?
You don't consider one TD every three games a lot?
Posted on 11/26/11 at 4:53 pm to just me
so...we ARE being convenient. I read ya'.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 4:54 pm to LSUPHILLY72
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You don't consider one TD every three games a lot?
If I was playing QB at LSU maybe
Posted on 11/26/11 at 4:54 pm to theunknownknight
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Since when???
Ask someone from Boise State and they will explain it to you.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 4:55 pm to LSUPHILLY72
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Ask someone from Boise State and they will explain it to you.
I disagree. Competition means nothing when it comes to STATS!!!
Posted on 11/26/11 at 4:56 pm to theunknownknight
quote:Crowton's offense really sucked last year. And Crowton's offensive philosophy really put Jefferson at a disadvantage for throwing TDs last year. Did you notice that he was no longer OC after last year? Jefferson ran for some TDs in 2010, and he threw for a bunch in 2009.
uh...you may wanna re-reference your own stats buddy. I guess you forgot he only threw 4 TDs all of last regular season?
quote:I am not grading on number of completions, passing yards, rushing yards, TDs, or interceptions. I am grading on percentages.
I also noticed you left off number of games played/minutes played.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 4:58 pm to just me
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I am not grading on number of completions, passing yards, rushing yards, TDs, or interceptions. I am grading on percentages.
So...since you brought it up, please give up "passing TDs/games played" as a percentage. Thanks.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 5:00 pm to theunknownknight
LSU's offense has never been so stacked at talent at every position in it's history as it is this year. This is all minus one position, and that is quarterback. You take stats out of context, but clearly you aren't making the case for Jefferson as much as you are making the case AGAINST Flynn, Mauck and Lee.
Quite possibly, the biggest thing you don't understand is that JJ's stats are based on his desire for stats. The biggest problem that I've had with him in 2009 and 2010 is that he would never "go for it." He only threw the ball when receivers were wide open because he didn't want to have what were seemingly bad stats. His "regression" in 2010 was just the product of coaches telling him to stop holding onto the damn ball and throw it. I notice you only compare his rushing stats to other rushing QBs at LSU, is there a reason for this?
LSU has historically not used rushing QBs (since they became a NC caliber team). They have never used the spread mentality with the rushing qbs they did have. So you're comparing JJ's rushing stats to QBs who didn't have to run with the ball?
This response was to Just Me. The objective person who has defended JJ REGARDLESS of the transgression. I wonder how it's going to look IF JJ pleads guilty to the simple battery charge just as soon as the season is over?
PS- Lets compare ZM's stats next year to JJ's in 2010 and see if the "dual threat" is really more effective than a "pocket passer." LOL.
Quite possibly, the biggest thing you don't understand is that JJ's stats are based on his desire for stats. The biggest problem that I've had with him in 2009 and 2010 is that he would never "go for it." He only threw the ball when receivers were wide open because he didn't want to have what were seemingly bad stats. His "regression" in 2010 was just the product of coaches telling him to stop holding onto the damn ball and throw it. I notice you only compare his rushing stats to other rushing QBs at LSU, is there a reason for this?
LSU has historically not used rushing QBs (since they became a NC caliber team). They have never used the spread mentality with the rushing qbs they did have. So you're comparing JJ's rushing stats to QBs who didn't have to run with the ball?
This response was to Just Me. The objective person who has defended JJ REGARDLESS of the transgression. I wonder how it's going to look IF JJ pleads guilty to the simple battery charge just as soon as the season is over?
PS- Lets compare ZM's stats next year to JJ's in 2010 and see if the "dual threat" is really more effective than a "pocket passer." LOL.
This post was edited on 11/26/11 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 11/26/11 at 5:01 pm to LSUPHILLY72
quote:The majority of his playing time did not come against 2 of the 3 weakest teams. You need to look at Jefferson's stats for 2011 again.
His first two starts and the majority of his playing time were against 2 of the three weakest teams on the schedule.
quote:Perhaps Jefferson does not have enough snaps to compare his senior season to Lee's or any other QB's final season. I can see that reasonable minds can disagree on that point.
So I can't give you that one. Had Lee gotten the starts and playing time against Western KY and Ole Miss...he would have more TD passes and a better rating.
I guess you would only compare Jefferson's and Lee's careers?
Posted on 11/26/11 at 5:04 pm to theunknownknight
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I disagree. Competition means nothing when it comes to STATS!!!
So if running back A has 10 carries for 150 yards and 4 TD's against Western Kentucky and running back B has 10 carries for 150 yards and 4 TD's against Alabama, who gets your vote for player of the week?
Or are you just so confused by the same stats you can come up with which back to vote for? Or do you give Co-running back of the week awards?
Posted on 11/26/11 at 5:06 pm to just me
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I guess you would only compare Jefferson's and Lee's careers?
One thing stats don't show is how many dumb mistakes the QBs have made each over the last two years. JJ has made more mental mistakes in his playing time this year than Lee has in the last two.
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