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re: coach O comments about the "spot"
Posted on 10/10/18 at 8:23 am to Mo Jeaux
Posted on 10/10/18 at 8:23 am to Mo Jeaux
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I was commenting on your Luddite-like, “get off my lawn” comment.
First of all, "get off my lawn" isn't a "luddite-like" comment, it's a plea for people to respect other people's personal property. Luddites are against technological advancement. Orgeron hires technicians to be technical, his job is to coach on the sidelines, making the calls as he sees fit depending on the down and distance, and personnel situation. I don't want him to be distracted on the sidelines by trying to micromanage coaches in the booth.
I'm not against replay, I just don't want the sidelines to be dependent on it. I want them to be able to make the right calls in a timely manner depending on the information on hand. That's exactly what happened. O performed as he should have in that situation.
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Posted on 10/10/18 at 8:32 am to 1609tiger
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The amazing thing was O said he wasn’t sure if the booth guy was watching the TV broadcast feed! That’s what you’re f ing paid to know coach!
Why is that so fricking amazing? Orgeron wasn't IN the booth, therefore he would have no idea what the coaches in the booth were doing at the time. He can assume they're carrying out their duties properly, but you just never know if you aren't there. For all we know one of the coaches could've been choking on a tiger dog, while the other was giving him the Heineken remover.
Coaches in the booth don't believe a review would overturn the call, coach calls for a FG to take the lead, which is executed perfectly, therefore "FIRE EVERY-frickING-BODY!!!1!! OMG,NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE frickING DOING, THEY ALL MUST BE FIRED!1!!"
You people are just too much.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 8:33 am to beauchristopher
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hated his decision to just hustle out there and kick, no matter wha
You keep saying this dumb shite. They didn’t kick the FG until there was :03 on the play clock.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 8:49 am to newyorkcitytiger
Again....this is what you get with O.
It's little things like that that he is horrible at that impact winning or losing a game.
He absolutely should have taken a timeout there. There was about 3 min left until halftime and he had it left. It even becomes more egregious when you consider that he took that TO with him to the locker room at halftime. I mean hell why have the timeout if you aren't going to use it for one of the key use cases for the existence of timeouts.
It is freaking inexcusable. The fact that he came up with some stupid excuse blaming it on the box is horrible too. If he would have just said it was 100% my bad and it was an idiotic mistake it would have been a little better....not much but a little.
It's little things like that that he is horrible at that impact winning or losing a game.
He absolutely should have taken a timeout there. There was about 3 min left until halftime and he had it left. It even becomes more egregious when you consider that he took that TO with him to the locker room at halftime. I mean hell why have the timeout if you aren't going to use it for one of the key use cases for the existence of timeouts.
It is freaking inexcusable. The fact that he came up with some stupid excuse blaming it on the box is horrible too. If he would have just said it was 100% my bad and it was an idiotic mistake it would have been a little better....not much but a little.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 8:49 am to Lester Earl
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You keep saying this dumb shite. They didn’t kick the FG until there was :03 on the play clock.
Another wonderful reason to use a timeout.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 8:51 am to WildTchoupitoulas
None of that nonsense matters....you have to use your timeout there to give yourself more time to make an informed decision. That is what good coaches do....what is happening in the booth has no bearing on that.
ETA Now if a coach in the booth unequivocally told him that it wasn't a first down then that is a different story....however I don't believe that happened. At least O didn't lead us to believe that is what happened.
ETA Now if a coach in the booth unequivocally told him that it wasn't a first down then that is a different story....however I don't believe that happened. At least O didn't lead us to believe that is what happened.
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 8:53 am
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:00 am to LSU316
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you have to use your timeout there to give yourself more time to make an informed decision.
That's what Miles used to do, and people complained about him being indecisive and wasting timeouts.
A coach on the sidelines can't call a timeout every time he thinks the call was close. I'd much rather he continue coaching and making the right call efficiently - which is exactly what he did.
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None of that nonsense matters.
That is true, it's not what lost the game.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:03 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Wasn't Ensminger in the booth ? Isn't it HIS JOB to see down and distance to call a play ? Wasn't Burrow and a couple of other players signaling first down ? Wouldn't he be interested in if Coach O would go for it and have to call a play. Ensminger was CLUELESS about the spot ??????????
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:04 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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A coach on the sidelines can't call a timeout every time he thinks the call was close.
With only 3 minutes left in the half it is a no brainer.
It's about situational awareness....that's not only for players but for coaches as well. We suck in the coach's situational awareness arena.
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it's not what lost the game.
Ultimately no....but if we were up 23-20 do you think Burrow would have thrown the pick 6 (obviously we can't be sure). It is possible that it directly effected the outcome of the game. It is hard to prove that though. There is no doubt it effected momentum and the team morale as they went into halftime though.
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That's what Miles used to do, and people complained about him being indecisive and wasting timeouts.
For the record that is not what got Les fired or why he should have been fired.....that is one of the things that made him a damn good coach that won way more than he lost here.
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 9:06 am
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:17 am to newyorkcitytiger
O's OC is calling plays.
His DC is calling the defense.
Whether it's the responsibility of someone else or not, he should be on top of situations like this.
IMO, Crucial mistake on his part.
His DC is calling the defense.
Whether it's the responsibility of someone else or not, he should be on top of situations like this.
IMO, Crucial mistake on his part.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:18 am to lsutiger2
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We got a bad spot but it wasn’t a first down anyways. I don’t think the coaches thought it was a first down
Maybe maybe not. But we shouldn’t have to be questioning it. Any coach with a functioning brain cell would have at least called time out to check it. He shouldn’t have needed someone in the booth to do that for him. I said when it happened that it would come back to bite us and I’m no football guru.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:22 am to LSU316
Maybe. Keeping the TO made sense too
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:54 am to Buckeye Jeaux
At the end of the day either way u cut it he played pussy ball! That’s twice now. Should have lined up and went for it. Grow some fricking balls.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:56 am to Picayuner
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Isn't it HIS JOB to see down and distance to call a play ?
Not on 4th down, I believe the HC should decide when to go for it or kick.
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Wasn't Burrow and a couple of other players signaling first down ?
Unfortunately, they don't make the call.
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Ensminger was CLUELESS about the spot ??????????
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??????????
Are you in an institution or some shite?
One question mark is sufficient!!!!!1!!11!!!!!!
Posted on 10/10/18 at 10:01 am to LSU316
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For the record [time management] is not what got Les fired or why he should have been fired.....that is one of the things that made him a damn good coach that won way more than he lost here.
Dude, you're off your nut here.
I really don't understand why everyone is making such a big deal about something that actually worked out well, LSU took the lead in the 2nd qtr with a FG.
You don't know if LSU would've scored a TD if that call was reversed, and you don't know that if LSU DID score a TD on the drive, that the rest of the game would've played out exactly as it did.
Hopefully the coaches aren't really worrying about this except to make sure that the calls come down from the booth as they should. Hopefully they're working on getting a better pass rush, protecting the QB better, and working with the receivers so they catch the ball when it's in their hands.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 10:26 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Dude, you're off your nut here.
You obviously have no clue...so let's just suffice it to say that Les Miles was fired due to insubordination....if you need to look that up Google works.
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I really don't understand why everyone is making such a big deal about something that actually worked out well, LSU took the lead in the 2nd qtr with a FG.
I'm sure you realize that 7 is more points that 3...7 would have worked out better than 3. quote:
You don't know if LSU would've scored a TD if that call was reversed, and you don't know that if LSU DID score a TD on the drive, that the rest of the game would've played out exactly as it did.
All of that is hard to tell for sure....the thing about it is on that drive we had momentum...after that field goal UF had momentum.
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Hopefully the coaches aren't really worrying about this except to make sure that the calls come down from the booth as they should. Hopefully they're working on getting a better pass rush, protecting the QB better, and working with the receivers so they catch the ball when it's in their hands.
I know our coaches are 3rd rate at best but Jesus I hope they are focusing on improving all areas of the game including mistakes that potentially cost our team points like the one discussed above. The bottom line is coaches can't block, pass, catch, kick, or run. However, they can call a damn timeout when it needs to be called.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 10:36 am to LSU316
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You obviously have no clue...so let's just suffice it to say that Les Miles was fired due to insubordination....if you need to look that up Google works.
You need to figure out how to understand what you've read. I never said Miles was fired for bad time management, I said the fans berated him for it.
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I'm sure you realize that 7 is more points that 3...7 would have worked out better than 3.
That would make more sense if it was 4th and goal. It wasn't. there was no guarantee that LSU would've scored the TD there.
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I know our coaches are 3rd rate at best
Really, "at best"? What rate are they at worst? I'm assuming you believe they're somewhere in between 3rd rate and worse.
Too bad LSU has so many shite-head fans such as yourself.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 11:34 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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You need to figure out how to understand what you've read. I never said Miles was fired for bad time management, I said the fans berated him for it.
You responded to me and I couldn't care less what the fans berated him for. I was speaking on his firing. I know reading comprehension is hard but try harder.
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That would make more sense if it was 4th and goal. It wasn't. there was no guarantee that LSU would've scored the TD there.
Nothing is guaranteed.....there was no guarantee that we were making that field goal when the decision was made. The one guarantee is that Helaire got the first down and a timeout should have been called in order to let them have time to reveiw it. The damn timeout was wasted. Good coaches call it there.
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What rate are they at worst?
Well we've seen the worst of Ed O as a head coach...I'm hoping we will never have a chance to see that at LSU, but with our administration who knows.
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Too bad LSU has so many shite-head fans such as yourself.
If LSU had more fans like me Ed O might not be our head coach and we would have a coach competent enough to do one of the things that he can tangibly effect on game day...call a damn timeout when he needs to.
Whether people want to admit it or not it's people like you that accepted Les Miles' insubordination in his last 3 seasons at LSU and have now accepted Ed Orgeron as a viable head coach for a top tier football school that has helped take LSU from where we were in 2007 to where we are now.
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 11:36 am
Posted on 10/10/18 at 12:11 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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You don't know if LSU would've scored a TD if that call was reversed, and you don't know that if LSU DID score a TD on the drive, that the rest of the game would've played out exactly as it did.
I don’t know if we would have scored a td, but I do know that if the call was reversed we would have 4 more offensive snaps which would have burned another 2 minutes off the clock or forced Florida to use timeouts. This most likely would have helped prevent Florida from scoring the go ahead td before half.
So to everyone arguing that it didn’t matter because we would have kicked the field goal anyway, I steadfastly disagree.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 12:17 pm to LSU316
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If LSU had more fans like me Ed O might not be our head coach and we would have a coach competent enough to do one of the things that he can tangibly effect on game day...call a damn timeout when he needs to.
I’m right there with you. The fact that we can still win 70% of our games with Ed coaching tells me that we have the infrastructure and support we need to be a powerhouse. And I hope we can do it with Ed as coach but I don’t see it. We just have to unite as a fan base and university to not accept less.
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