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re: Coach Mainieri's comments after the game
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:28 pm to dnm3305
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:28 pm to dnm3305
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There was prlly a greater than 70% chance of a hit and run succeeding right there and putting us at 1st and 3rd with no outs as opposed to runner on 2nd with 1 out.
Uhh no. How is it a greater than 70% chance RR gets a hit and we have runners on 1st and 3rd? Rhymes hits like .340 so that's a %34 chance he gets a hit. It's even lower if he's forced to swing at any pitch because the hit and run is on. Granted, I know he doesn't need a basehit to move the runner, in which case it's the same as a sac bunt. Just harder. Which is harder? Putting a bunt down or trying a force something in play to the right side?
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Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:28 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Are you telling me that the hit and run was not on? That is what the guy that I responded to said. He said "There was no hit and run on. RR tried to pull a pitch and didn't go the other way." Is that how you define a hit and run? Please say no.
You are describing a run and hit. Hit and run is designed to be hit behind the runner. HS and college teams practice the hit and run on a regular basis.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The third baseman was on the line, and the pitch was to the outside of the plate. The positioning of the defenders, the location of the pitch dictates the ball should have gone behind the runner.
Yeah you're still wrong. Obviously it would have worked if he hit it to RF for a base hit. It also would have worked if he had hit a ground ball at the SS because they wouldn't have turned two. It would have worked just like a sac bunt and all you retards would think PM is a genius.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Obviously better than you. The third baseman was on the line, and the pitch was to the outside of the plate. The positioning of the defenders, the location of the pitch dictates the ball should have gone behind the runner.
Rhymes was not merely trying to guide the ball in the hole on the right side. In a 2-0 count, he's trying to put a good swing on the ball and trying to drive it.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:31 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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You said double. You meant double play. Sorry, when we are discussing a hard hit ground ball down the third baseline it could easily be construed that you actually meant a double and not a double play.
ah I see now. no harm, no foul
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:39 pm to JustSmokin
Why do so many LSU fans turn on the Head Coach so much? I've never seen a program victimize their head coach as much as LSU fans do.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:41 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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The count was 2-0. The guy had to throw a strike
Oh, he had to throw a strike. Well, that changes everything about the game. Seriously, that isn't exactly good sound reasoning for taking off the bunt.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:42 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Uhh no. How is it a greater than 70% chance RR gets a hit and we have runners on 1st and 3rd? Rhymes hits like .340 so that's a %34 chance he gets a hit. It's even lower if he's forced to swing at any pitch because the hit and run is on. Granted, I know he doesn't need a basehit to move the runner, in which case it's the same as a sac bunt. Just harder. Which is harder? Putting a bunt down or trying a force something in play to the right side?
Why are you ignoring what you lose by giving up the out?
It's a 50/50 type of decision. Your insistance that it is not is showing your ignorance.
In hindsight, it was clearly the wrong decision. In practice, taking an aggressive approach with a guy who has been somewhere between a very good hitter and an all-american hitter is not a crazy proposition.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:42 pm to Jay Quest
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eriously, that isn't exactly good sound reasoning for taking off the bunt.
Really?
Then maybe you could enlighten us as to why PM thought on the 2-0 that it would be a good reason to hit and run? Nah, it couldn't be that the pitcher was going to throw a fastball for a strike and we had our best contact hitter at the plate.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:43 pm to Jay Quest
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Seriously, that isn't exactly good sound reasoning for taking off the bunt.
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Jay Quest
Now this guy is new to baseball
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:43 pm to PurpleAndGold86
Peter Gammons/Keith Law,
I think the point the "retards" are trying to make is if the properly executed hit and run ground ball to anyone on the infield would have worked just like a sac bunt, why not just sac bunt?
I think the point the "retards" are trying to make is if the properly executed hit and run ground ball to anyone on the infield would have worked just like a sac bunt, why not just sac bunt?
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:44 pm to Jay Quest
And also, if the count doesn't change the situation then I would also like to hear the explanation as to why you don't see a hit and run with an 0-2 count very often. Go ahead, I'll give you all the time you need.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:45 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Really?
Yea, really. In fact, on a site filled with dumb responses to legit questions that may well be the dumbest I've read in a while.
He had to throw a strike
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Then maybe you could enlighten us as to why PM thought on the 2-0 that it would be a good reason to hit and run?
Perhaps because he had more confidence in Raph swinging away than bunting but I will assure you it wasn't because the pitcher had to throw a strike.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:46 pm to OldAlexBox
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I think the point the "retards" are trying to make is if the properly executed hit and run ground ball to anyone on the infield would have worked just like a sac bunt, why not just sac bunt?
Why not have confidence that the best contact hitter on the team can make contact with the ball when everyone in the park knows that a fastball is coming? Trying to give his hitter one pitch to make something else happen.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:46 pm to Jay Quest
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Oh, he had to throw a strike. Well, that changes everything about the game.
Seriously, that isn't exactly good sound reasoning for taking off the bunt.
It actually is a pretty good piece of the pie.
What do you suspect Rhymes' batting average is on 2-0 counts. Do you think it is worse or better than his overall batting average?
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:46 pm to moneyg
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Why are you ignoring what you lose by giving up the out?
When you are the home team and you are down by 1 run you play for the tie. That is a fundamental of baseball. You don't worry about giving up the big inning in the bottom of the 9th cause if you don't get that run home it's over. You have to put him in scoring position and the sac bunt is the most sure way of doing that.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:46 pm to Jay Quest
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Perhaps because he had more confidence in Raph swinging away
Right and that probably had nothing to do with the fact that everyone knew a fastball was coming in that spot. You're a pretty sharp guy.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:46 pm to Jay Quest
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Perhaps because he had more confidence in Raph swinging away than bunting but I will assure you it wasn't because the pitcher had to throw a strike.
This is gold
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:47 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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if the count doesn't change the situation
Good grief. Of course counts change situations. But a 2-0 count in the bottom of the ninth is not one of those cases. This really simple.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 3:48 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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When you are the home team and you are down by 1 run you play for the tie. That is a fundamental of baseball. You don't worry about giving up the big inning in the bottom of the 9th cause if you don't get that run home it's over. You have to put him in scoring position and the sac bunt is the most sure way of doing that.
Or you play for runners at the corners with no outs. Better than man on 2nd with one out. Get it?
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