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re: Clemson’s o-line vs LSU’s o-line
Posted on 1/11/19 at 7:36 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 1/11/19 at 7:36 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Your argument that Clemson has better talent on their o line.
There's no comparison between LSU'S and Clemson's offensive line. Clemson's line was giving Trevor time to get rid of the ball. LSU'S line was getting pushed back into Burrow. Bamas noseguard was pushing two of LSU'S linemen into the backfield at once. I just don't understand how you can look at those two games and not get it. Another factor is Clemson has upperclassmen and LSU has two. A junior and a senior. The senior was battling injury for a good part of the season.
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 7:39 pm to bencoleman
For the tenth time. I’m NOT saying they didn’t perform better.
Their performance against Bama doesn’t mean they have more talent than our offensive line. Maybe they are coached better? Maybe their scheme works better? Hell, maybe they just get along better?
We got beat by Troy last year. Are they more talented?
Why is this such a difficult concept for you?
Their performance against Bama doesn’t mean they have more talent than our offensive line. Maybe they are coached better? Maybe their scheme works better? Hell, maybe they just get along better?
We got beat by Troy last year. Are they more talented?
Why is this such a difficult concept for you?
Posted on 1/11/19 at 7:44 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Correct. At no point when we had a stud left tackle did our offense produce like Clemson’s.
So your theory that we just need prototypical talent at left tackle for the offense to function doesn’t make sense
When did LSU have a stud left tackle this past season?
And you're saying that LSU with better players wouldn't be better. It doesn't make sense.
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So your theory that we just need prototypical talent at left tackle for the offense to function doesn’t make sense
I said that if LSU had better tackles that LSU win the Florida game this season and probably the aTm game as well.
Florida's speed at the edge did us in.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 7:49 pm to bencoleman
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When did LSU have a stud left tackle this past season?
When I said that about 5 pages ago we were talking about in years past. Did you just start following LSU this year? Our passing game has sucked for awhile.
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And you're saying that LSU with better players wouldn't be better.
Nope
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I said that if LSU had better tackles that LSU win the Florida game this season and probably the aTm game as well.
Ok? Did I dispute that? I really don’t care if you think that. It may or may not be true. The offense would still be much more inefficient than Clemson’s or a lot of other SEC teams.
And I seriously doubt a left tackle would have helped us score or even compete with Alabama this year.
This post was edited on 1/11/19 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 1/11/19 at 7:49 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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the tenth time. I’m NOT saying they didn’t perform better.
Their performance against Bama doesn’t mean they have more talent than our offensive line. Maybe they are coached better? Maybe their scheme works better? Hell, maybe they just get along better?
We got beat by Troy last year. Are they more talented?
Why is this such a difficult concept for you
It's like you don't realize that you have to have a certain amount of athleticism to play tackle. That's why you have so much trouble plugging a guard into the tackle position. The people in here that are arguing this have an agenda. If you have an agenda then I understand your position. It doesn't mean that they can't excel at guard but you need somebody athletic enough for the tackle position. A lot of these people will argue anything and say anything to try to win an argument and you can't hear them say something and roll with it.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 7:52 pm to bencoleman
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It's like you don't realize that you have to have a certain amount of athleticism to play tackle. That's why you have so much trouble plugging a guard into the tackle position.
No I do.
I completely understand that.
And we have 2 guys that graded out as having top 10. TOP TEN. talent at the tackle position.
But I guess they aren’t talented because you said they aren’t.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 7:56 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Our passing game has sucked for awhile
That's because Les wanted to run the football. LSU was a running team for a while. In 2013 Mett lit it up. So when les had a good QB he turned him loose. Matt Flynn, Russell.
Other years the line could run block but couldn't pass block for shite.
I've said it before this offense wasn't great but it wasn't dumpster fire level that gets portrayed here. It also improved at the back end of the year.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 7:56 pm to bencoleman
People whose sole job is to watch film on high school and JUCO kids said that of all the players they watched these kids were some of the best or had the most potential AT THE TACKLE POSITION.
But bencoleman said they don’t have enough talent/athleticism.
But bencoleman said they don’t have enough talent/athleticism.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 8:05 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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No I do.
I completely understand that.
And we have 2 guys that graded out as having top 10. TOP TEN. talent at the tackle position.
But I guess they aren’t talented because you said they aren’t
This is where you go off the rails. Traore had a lot of hype but when he got here he wasn't very good. He's not even in the two deep. Charles is a guard that's playing tackle. He actually shows promise. Who knows after a year in the system he's got a good shot at doing ok.
Deculus- I just think he's better off as a guard.
Dare is a true tackle who has the athleticism to play the position and I hope to see him starting next season.
Wire is a tackle too. I don't know but I've heard that he's very athletic and is actually the one to watch. I hope he starts too. Now all the players I just discussed are LSU players.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 8:09 pm to bencoleman
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You insult everyone who doesn't agree with you in this thread
The fricking irony is glorious.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 8:11 pm to dukke v
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They did this year.......
So whats your point.....................
They have 1 all acc player. They dont have single olineman with a draft grade.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 8:13 pm to dukke v
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NOPE... All year long....................
So exlain Southeastern shutting our offense down? Surely you dont think Southeastern has more dline talent that our oline.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 8:14 pm to bencoleman
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Clemson's line was giving Trevor time to get rid of the ball
11 qd hurries,7 qb hits, 6 tfls
He plays in a system that doesn't make his oline block a bunch of 1st round dlineman for 4 seconds. You dont know shite about football.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 8:17 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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But I guess they aren’t talented because you said they aren’
They arent talented because if they are he has to admit O's handpicked oline coach and Ensminger arent doing their job but anyone without and agenda can see this.
If you want him to shut up, ask him how Southeastern shut us down. Ask him why was every Southland conference team able to move the ball against Southeastern better than lsu. Do they have more oline talent than us?
Posted on 1/11/19 at 8:19 pm to bencoleman
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Other years the line could run block but couldn't pass block for shite.
You have no clue what youre talking about. We graded out as one of the best lines in cfb under miles. Shitty pass blocking teams dont grade out as one of the best lines in cfb.
You didnt follow lsu until O was hired as HC.
This post was edited on 1/11/19 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 1/11/19 at 8:19 pm to bencoleman
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This is where you go off the rails. Traore had a lot of hype but when he got here he wasn't very good. He's not even in the two deep. Charles is a guard that's playing tackle. He actually shows promise. Who knows after a year in the system he's got a good shot at doing ok. Deculus- I just think he's better off as a guard. Dare is a true tackle who has the athleticism to play the position and I hope to see him starting next season. Wire is a tackle too. I don't know but I've heard that he's very athletic and is actually the one to watch. I hope he starts too. Now all the players I just discussed are LSU players.
This a great great breakdown of your opinion on our current players.
It doesn’t prove that we have less talent than Clemson. But good breakdown.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 8:25 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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If you want him to shut up, ask him how Southeastern shut us down. Ask him why was every Southland conference team able to move the ball against Southeastern better than lsu. Do they have more oline talent than us?
I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said on this page. You nailed it. He won’t answer that question honestly though.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 8:26 pm to bencoleman
And? Was there name calling like you said there was? Was anything I said not true and hasn’t been proven over and over again? You’re lying, the posts didn’t get worse all I did was ask you to present a reason why players who had no trouble performing the year before all of the sudden couldn’t play, and again you go straight to projecting what you’re doing onto me.
This post was edited on 1/11/19 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 1/11/19 at 8:31 pm to WaWaWeeWa
He talks about a year in a system that couldnt move the ball against Southeastern. Or la tech.
A system that struggled to get 1st downs against alabama.
He repeatedly lies about lawrence having all day when there were multiple TD passes where he didnt even see if wrs got the ball because he got hit.
He thinks lawrence catching the snap and firing out the ball in 2 seconds is all day. While he see burrow go into his drop from under center, have to playaction, and then see 1 of 2 wrs covered, Burrow get hit, then his proven football ignorant opinion says...." our oline is garbage. They couldnt block for 4 seconds and let burrow get to his 2nd progression."
Did our oline struggle? Yes. Did our scheme in any way help them? frick no.
We didn't run a called roll out all year. Not a single time did our oc move the pocket for burrow.
Did our oc stop putting burrow under center for play action? frick no.
Did our oc stop using wr option rlutes so that our talented freshman could get on the field? frick no. Why would ben expect our oc to produce a scheme that played to our strengths?
Did our oc teach our offense how to run a screen play all year?
Did our oc go to max protect after watching the rest of football put that dinosaur offense out of its misery?
frick no he doubled down on it bringing more defenders to the los. The same los that ben is saying is our weakness.
But its just talent. Lets not bring up that ben was hyping the 2017 class saying O had fixed the oline issues.
Ben shits on 2018 oline and then touts the return of this talent as reason the offense will be good next year.
A system that struggled to get 1st downs against alabama.
He repeatedly lies about lawrence having all day when there were multiple TD passes where he didnt even see if wrs got the ball because he got hit.
He thinks lawrence catching the snap and firing out the ball in 2 seconds is all day. While he see burrow go into his drop from under center, have to playaction, and then see 1 of 2 wrs covered, Burrow get hit, then his proven football ignorant opinion says...." our oline is garbage. They couldnt block for 4 seconds and let burrow get to his 2nd progression."
Did our oline struggle? Yes. Did our scheme in any way help them? frick no.
We didn't run a called roll out all year. Not a single time did our oc move the pocket for burrow.
Did our oc stop putting burrow under center for play action? frick no.
Did our oc stop using wr option rlutes so that our talented freshman could get on the field? frick no. Why would ben expect our oc to produce a scheme that played to our strengths?
Did our oc teach our offense how to run a screen play all year?
Did our oc go to max protect after watching the rest of football put that dinosaur offense out of its misery?
frick no he doubled down on it bringing more defenders to the los. The same los that ben is saying is our weakness.
But its just talent. Lets not bring up that ben was hyping the 2017 class saying O had fixed the oline issues.
Ben shits on 2018 oline and then touts the return of this talent as reason the offense will be good next year.
This post was edited on 1/11/19 at 8:34 pm
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