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re: Chad Jones hit was NOT helmet to helmet
Posted on 11/28/09 at 11:32 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 11/28/09 at 11:32 pm to Lester Earl
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he definitely led with his helmet
Stop being a shite stirring jackass.
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Posted on 11/28/09 at 11:34 pm to L S Usetheforce
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Helmet across the body......just like he is COACHED to do
huh?? what are you looking at?
he was coming from behind him, he led with his helmet.
if he was putting his helmet across his body it would be on the other side of Adam's body.
It's stupid to argue about, but that is what happened.
Posted on 11/28/09 at 11:35 pm to L S Usetheforce
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His helmet NEVER touched the other guys helmet. He is coached to put his helmet across the #'s of the WR..........he did. You are being a bitch cause you want to and not looking at the play with objectivity.........Chad Jones NEVER lowered his head, you can see his head cross the face of the WR........but you like pussy football for the sake of being a pussy.
Hey a-hole, who3ever you are, go frick yourself. I never said Jones "lowered his head". ME not being objective about this? That's a good one.
Posted on 11/28/09 at 11:35 pm to Lester Earl
What are you looking at? look at the picture......You are coached to put your helmet on the outside shoulder when tackling........Jones facemask is clearly planted on the acromion process of the WR.....
Posted on 11/28/09 at 11:36 pm to tigermikear
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This is all academic anyway. no biggie. But the call was helmet to helmet contact as a personal foul. and it wasn't...it just looked like it at full speed. Could have been a costly missed call, (and was at the time). Jones helmet hits Adams shoulder pad.
Yeah, unless the helmets actually glanced each other FIRST, before hitting the receiver's shoulder. Hitting the shoulder may be irrelevant if the helmets glancing first is what triggered the call. I watched it in slow mo on HD and it still looks like it could have hit helmet ON THE WAY to hitting the top of the shoulder pad.
You may be biased.
Posted on 11/28/09 at 11:38 pm to CommanderHeavy
Ithought it was the right call but things like that happen so fast I do not think he did it on purpose. I just with they would have called the same way the La Tech game
Posted on 11/28/09 at 11:38 pm to CommanderHeavy
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Yeah, unless the helmets actually glanced each other FIRST, before hitting the receiver's shoulder. Hitting the shoulder may be irrelevant if the helmets glancing first is what triggered the call. I watched it in slow mo on HD and it still looks like it could have hit helmet ON THE WAY to hitting the top of the shoulder pad.
THIS^1000000000
Posted on 11/28/09 at 11:39 pm to L S Usetheforce
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Yes watch the got damn play..........Jones's helmet never touched the WR's.........Momentum and 230lbs caused the helmet to come off........GOD watch the play.
I've watched your clip, and I have wathced it many times. And if it wasn't such a shity quality film I would take a screencap to prove my point. But If I do Chad Jones will look like a white blur.
However, this feller was nice enough to tack a higher quality shot, and sicne he hates reposting let me...
As tigermikear (ironic name: tigermik{ear}) says:
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If anyone says they see helmets hitting here (besides maybe earholes), they are making something up.
Guess what, the earholes are on the freaking helmet. Where would you say the earhole is the shoulder pad? :
Oh, and just for good measure here is a SS of your shity video.
Posted on 11/28/09 at 11:40 pm to L S Usetheforce
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Hey a-hole, who3ever you are, go frick yourself. I never said Jones "lowered his head". ME not being objective about this? That's a good one.
Yeah Yeah......you are disrespecting a perfect form tackle with the helmet clearly placed on the shoulder of the WR.........I'm sorry I feel your opinion is a valid reason as to why football has become what it is today........Chad Jones's head is at 90 degrees placed directly in the shoulder of the WR. It can't be disputed as their are photos and video of the tackle, unfortunately people like you confuse tactical contact with helmet to helmet.
This post was edited on 11/28/09 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 11/28/09 at 11:41 pm to CommanderHeavy
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FR-120 RULE 9-1 / CONDUCT OF PLAYE RS AND OTHERS SUBJECT TO RULES
b. No player shall initiate contact and target a defenseless opponent
above the shoulders. When in question, it is a foul. (Refer to Points of
Emphasis for a description of “Defenseless Player.”)
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Intentional helmet-to-helmet contact is never legal, nor is any other blow
directed toward an opponent’s head. Flagrant offenders shall be disqualified.
The refs made a judgment call that the blow was directed toward the head.
They are just trying to protect 18-23 year old kids.
Give it a rest----Ya'll won!
This post was edited on 11/28/09 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 11/28/09 at 11:42 pm to L S Usetheforce
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Leading with the helmet is intentionally using it as the first point of contact..........It's obvious from the pictures and the live feed that it wasn't.............Arguing otherwise is only feeding to the futility of non contact and proper tackling that most rantards bitch about in football today.
Again this is where the problem with the new rule lies. Defining leading with the helmet, going for the head on a defenseless player (WR or otherwise), and helmet to helmet contact. Just because the helmets touch does not mean that a penalty should be called, imo.
Posted on 11/28/09 at 11:43 pm to L S Usetheforce
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Yeah Yeah......you are disrespecting a perfect form tackle with the helmet clearly placed on the shoulder of the WR.........I'm sorry I feel your opinion is a valid reason as to why football has become what it is today........Chad Jones is head is at 90 degrees placed directly in the shoulder of the WR. It can't be disputed as their are photos and video of the tackle, unfortunately people like you confuse tactical contact with helmet to helmet.
WTF are you talking about? I have said REPEATEDLY that it was a good play with an unfortunate outcome. Helmets definitely hit each other. IMO, it was somewhere between outright helmet to helmet and "tactical contact" as you call it. But the helmets definitely hit pretty damned hard. You should turn your enmity towards the idiots in this thread who are just flat out saying that it was only shoulder to shoulder.
Posted on 11/28/09 at 11:43 pm to theenemy
So you've clearly prove the point!
Posted on 11/28/09 at 11:44 pm to L S Usetheforce
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.you are disrespecting a perfect form tackle with the helmet clearly placed on the shoulder of the WR
perfect form tackle without using your arms, go figure
Posted on 11/28/09 at 11:45 pm to L S Usetheforce
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You should turn your enmity towards the idiots in this thread who are just flat out saying that it was only shoulder to shoulder.
But they aren't idiots.........When 1 man is running 18 mph going north and Chad Jones hits going southeast at the same speed they are going to meet at some point in the equation. Helmet to Helmet is LEADING with the helmet with direct intention in making contact to the helmet of the other player. CJ did not do this........He contacted the shoulder. Momentum caused the young mans head to sling forward hitting CJ's helmet. This is not leading with the head, it's called tackling.
Posted on 11/28/09 at 11:46 pm to L S Usetheforce
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I am hoping this post was not directed towards me. I am neither a bitch or a pussy as you so eloquently wrote. Even if it wasn't directed towards me the fact that you would even call a fellow poster such juvenile names is in itself extremely juvenile.
Isn't it past your bedtime?
Seriously, it wasn't directed toward you but you.......In fact, I do not even understand how you can ascertain that from what I've written and you have written sir, but never the less you should probably sip beer with JerseyTiger.
OK, fair enough. But I'll pass the invite to drink with JT. I outgrew the drinking stuff years ago, fwiw.
My point, and I'll cease after this, is that for the most part I actually agree with you. It's just the name-calling takes away from the content of your posts and makes it very hard for others to take you seriously. That's all.
Posted on 11/28/09 at 11:47 pm to L S Usetheforce
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perfect form tackle without using your arms, go figure
Chad Jones doesn't have to wrap up in that situation.........You are reaching cause you like to argue...........You know you loved every bit of the that beautifully timed hit!
Posted on 11/28/09 at 11:50 pm to L S Usetheforce
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It's just the name-calling takes away from the content of your posts and makes it very hard for others to take you seriously. That's all.
FWIW, I'm not calling Jersey a pussy.......I'm calling his opinion pussy. Football is a violent sport, you are a nurse just as I. You understand the difference between head to head and not. Jersey tried to insinute that Jones clearly lead with the head with intent to make contact with the WR. He didn't. I understand your point but I can't stand what football has come too. You can't freaking make great violent plays in football anymore without being flagged for it.
Posted on 11/28/09 at 11:51 pm to L S Usetheforce
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Chad Jones hits going southeast
Um, CJ's hit was northwest...not southeast. How drunk are you?
Posted on 11/28/09 at 11:52 pm to L S Usetheforce
CJ's helmet glanced the guy's helmet as he was laying it into the shoulder. Probably only caught an inch of it, but the helmets touched as CJ leaped up and put his head forward.
I'm not sure why you're harping on intent or the shoulder being the final landing spot. The refs don't care what the intent was or what other body parts the helmet also hit, nor should they. The call could have gone either way, IMO. I was okay with it.
I'm not sure why you're harping on intent or the shoulder being the final landing spot. The refs don't care what the intent was or what other body parts the helmet also hit, nor should they. The call could have gone either way, IMO. I was okay with it.
This post was edited on 11/28/09 at 11:54 pm
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