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re: CFN LSU preview
Posted on 7/1/10 at 9:21 pm to Books
Posted on 7/1/10 at 9:21 pm to Books
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now it's unrealistic to want LSU to play up to it's potential and be able to put much lesser talented teams away
At the end of championship seasons, they don't put asterisks next to the record to denote how they only "barely" won.
A win is a win. Grow up.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 10:03 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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But then some of us don't see a program in decline.
2000-2004: 48-16
2005-2009: 51-15
While those #'s indicate a better record over a similar span of time, the state of the program in 1999 was a FAR CRY from where it was in 2005. That doesn't mean it shows a decline, only that those wins/losses should be considered in context.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 10:38 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:No antennae involved, and I never said it was a majority (or even a large number). I commenting on the suggestion that winning would stop their complaining, and pointing out that an amazingly high degree of winning (a National Championship) had failed to stem their bitching before, so it was optimistic at best to believe that any degree of winning this season would change their tune. Again, yes, it was a small and vocal minority (the "loudmouths" to whom you refer).
From a few loudmouths whom your antennae is clearly attuned to.
quote:It would have taken selective hearing (or not visiting this board) to have been unaware of them.
You have selective hearing.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 10:42 pm to Nuts4LSU
quote:Nope, it was this very board. There was bitching about the defense sucking down the stretch and stupid coaching in the Arky and Kentucky losses, and claims that they wished Miles had taken the Michigan job because he was going to run the program into the ground.
Clearly you were reading a different board at that time.
Again, a small but vocal contingent, and not a representative sample of the board. But that's the contingent I'm talking about not changing their tune this year (or any other year) regardless of how much we with with Miles.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 10:46 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:I don't concern myself terribly with whether it is "as realistic," "less realistic" or "more realistic." Both are plausible outcomes, so like anyone else I keep the one in mind that I enjoy thinking about the most. Until I gain some measure of influence over the outcome, there's no gain in wasting my thoughts on the less enjoyable alternative.
The dread is that Les Miles is going to trot out another underwhelming, lackluster product en route to another frustrating season. And that, my friend, is just as realistic thinking in the dead of summer (when we know nothing about if the problems have been fixed) as is thinking that we are going 14-0 and on our way to a 3rd NC.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 11:29 pm to King Joey
Is LSU still an elite program? How can anyone possible think 2009 was a successful year. Honestly, do you think that was the best outcome considering potential? What separates the elite from just another team in the SEC?
Posted on 7/1/10 at 11:32 pm to sml71
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A win is a win. Grow up.
Heard that shite before, the last 2 seasons when we started off winning ugly and people were saying a win is a win. How did that end up?
Posted on 7/2/10 at 1:41 am to King Joey
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he was going to run the program into the ground.
That one is looking like it might be right.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 3:18 am to Nuts4LSU
quote:See, like that comment. Do you view that comment as serving some useful purpose, or do you just enjoy posting it?
That one is looking like it might be right.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 7:47 am to sunnydaze
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josh johns
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pushing for time
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this is funny why?
This post was edited on 7/2/10 at 7:51 am
Posted on 7/2/10 at 8:26 am to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
quote:We finished third in the SEC and went to best non-BCS bowl. So, while not a title season, pretty well, actually. While not an A, I'd grade it around a B. Graded on a curve, we'll make it a B-. Not great, but still pretty good.
How did that end up?
Posted on 7/2/10 at 8:57 am to King Joey
quote:Well, if that's what you are going to concern yourself with and get worked up over, you've got a long season ahead of you. Feigning surprise that any fan base, especially one as vocal and strident as LSU's, who understands football and is used to winning, may quite possibly have a few angry and discontented fans on the internet and that this somehow represents the larger fan base collectively and that they want the head coach fired after winning a national championship- is a classic straw man argument if there ever was one.
Again, a small but vocal contingent, and not a representative sample of the board. But that's the contingent I'm talking about not changing their tune this year (or any other year) regardless of how much we with with Miles.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 8:58 am to King Joey
quote:I hear you and agree.
Again, yes, it was a small and vocal minority (the "loudmouths" to whom you refer).
Posted on 7/2/10 at 9:02 am to King Joey
Great analysis of LSU's upcoming season by Pete Fiutak. Overall, a very positive yet balanced article. He assessed most phases of LSU's 2010 football program very well.
Offense:
1. OL - "stunningly lousy", "disaster", "can't get any worse, and it won't be". He and I saw the same thing, and we both think it will be better. I sure hope so.
2. Receivers/Tight Ends - Fiutak was very complimentary, and I agree. LSU can stack up with anyone, IMO.
3. Running backs - He was upbeat and positive - "The running game won't be as bad", etc. So am I. Not just Ford, Ridley and other returners, but also the improved OL play and incoming freshman RBs (yea, yea, I know - dream on).
4. QB - He barely mentioned the very important postion of QB - "the passing attack won't be as inconsistent". We must do much better here, IMO. For some reason, Fiutak didn't mention that. ??? My opinion, lead the team and just execute. Get it to the playmakers. It will all work out.
Defense:
1. DL - "stunningly lousy", "wasn't exactly clutch", "can't have as many problems getting into the backfield as it did last year, and it won't". Wow. Sure hope so. This is one of our keys to getting off the field in less than 7 plays per defensive series. IMYNSHO (stolen with pride from another poster).
2. LB - Fiutak very positive & complimentary. So am I.
3. DB - No mention, except for Peterson. In this case no mention is very positive, and I agree. This is totally LSU's defensive strong suit.
Special Teams:
1. Except for Patrick Peterson's nomination as the "returner", no mention was made of ST by Pete Fiutak. I feel LSU is very, very good on ST, and this can easily change game position/perspective/points in a close game. We may not be Va. Tech., but LSU was very good last year regarding the 3rd on-field team component of Special Teams.
Coaching:
1. Fiutak and CFN were balanced - "Miles needs to show that more titles are on the horizon", "keep up the pace", "LSU under Miles has still been able to hang with the elite of the elite". OK (IMO), Les can do better. So can Crowton. So can Chavis. So can the other coaches and student coaches. So what. I feel LSU's coaches can stack up with any SEC or other college football coaching staff. Will we be as successful at recruiting, game day preparation & real time game decisions? Let's hope so and we'll see.
Are you ready for some football?
Offense:
1. OL - "stunningly lousy", "disaster", "can't get any worse, and it won't be". He and I saw the same thing, and we both think it will be better. I sure hope so.
2. Receivers/Tight Ends - Fiutak was very complimentary, and I agree. LSU can stack up with anyone, IMO.
3. Running backs - He was upbeat and positive - "The running game won't be as bad", etc. So am I. Not just Ford, Ridley and other returners, but also the improved OL play and incoming freshman RBs (yea, yea, I know - dream on).
4. QB - He barely mentioned the very important postion of QB - "the passing attack won't be as inconsistent". We must do much better here, IMO. For some reason, Fiutak didn't mention that. ??? My opinion, lead the team and just execute. Get it to the playmakers. It will all work out.
Defense:
1. DL - "stunningly lousy", "wasn't exactly clutch", "can't have as many problems getting into the backfield as it did last year, and it won't". Wow. Sure hope so. This is one of our keys to getting off the field in less than 7 plays per defensive series. IMYNSHO (stolen with pride from another poster).
2. LB - Fiutak very positive & complimentary. So am I.
3. DB - No mention, except for Peterson. In this case no mention is very positive, and I agree. This is totally LSU's defensive strong suit.
Special Teams:
1. Except for Patrick Peterson's nomination as the "returner", no mention was made of ST by Pete Fiutak. I feel LSU is very, very good on ST, and this can easily change game position/perspective/points in a close game. We may not be Va. Tech., but LSU was very good last year regarding the 3rd on-field team component of Special Teams.
Coaching:
1. Fiutak and CFN were balanced - "Miles needs to show that more titles are on the horizon", "keep up the pace", "LSU under Miles has still been able to hang with the elite of the elite". OK (IMO), Les can do better. So can Crowton. So can Chavis. So can the other coaches and student coaches. So what. I feel LSU's coaches can stack up with any SEC or other college football coaching staff. Will we be as successful at recruiting, game day preparation & real time game decisions? Let's hope so and we'll see.
Are you ready for some football?
Posted on 7/2/10 at 9:02 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:I wasn't getting worked up over them in the first place, then or now. I was just responding to the suggestion that winning would cure the board of their bullshite.
Well, if that's what you are going to concern yourself with and get worked up over, you've got a long season ahead of you.
quote:Yes, it is . . . ?
Feigning surprise that any fan base, especially one as vocal and strident as LSU's, who understands football and is used to winning, may quite possibly have a few angry and discontented fans on the internet and that this somehow represents the larger fan base collectively and that they want the head coach fired after winning a national championship- is a classic straw man argument if there ever was one.
I think we're agreeing here.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 9:03 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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LSU's, who understands football
Posted on 7/2/10 at 9:33 am to TaserTiger
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Special Teams:
1. Except for Patrick Peterson's nomination as the "returner", no mention was made of ST by Pete Fiutak. I feel LSU is very, very good on ST, and this can easily change game position/perspective/points in a close game. We may not be Va. Tech., but LSU was very good last year regarding the 3rd on-field team component of Special Teams.
Click on the LSU Defense Preview 2010 link near the top of the main article, and he goes into much greater depth not only on the defense but at the end of that, the special teams. He gives major props to the special teams although he does have a glaring type (he goes from talking about Josh Jasper to then mentioning the kicker "Taylor", obviously a cut and paste type error from another article.)
Posted on 7/2/10 at 9:51 am to ForeLSU
You laugh because people don't agree with you, but if think Tiger fans don't live and breath LSU football and understand the game, you should turn your laugh on yourself. Anyone can point out a douchebag or two who doesn't know anything, but by and large people who follow LSU football almost like a religion by default know something about the team.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 9:53 am to TaserTiger
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I feel LSU's coaches can stack up with any SEC or other college football coaching staff.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 10:18 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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you should turn your laugh on yourself. Anyone can point out a douchebag or two who doesn't know anything, but by and large people who follow LSU football almost like a religion by default know something about the team.
I include myself in the group and don't have a problem with it...I'm pretty knowledgeable and observant, but don't claim to have any great knowledge of the game. Much of what is posted on this board, and what is overheard at the games is pure hilarity. We are passionate fans, but for the most part we're akin to the truck drivers at Fedex who critique decisions made by the executive team.
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