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re: CFN LSU preview
Posted on 7/1/10 at 1:03 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
Posted on 7/1/10 at 1:03 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:No, those people are not referred to as the "chicken littles". The "chicken littles" are those insisting that we have become the new Tennessee because Miles sucks and things have already become stale.quote:This is what the "chicken littles" are saying too.
Miles has to keep up the pace. The last thing LSU wants to be is the new Tennessee and assume things can’t go stale after years of success.
quote:Again, not quite. The "chicken littles" insist that the scrutiny is complete, and Miles is a failure because he has no ability to consistently get the most out of his talent.quote:This is what the "chicken littles" are saying too.
Miles, who has always hovered in a land somewhere between instinctive genius and questionably reckless with some of his coaching decisions in tight battles, will soon be under scrutiny for his ability to consistently get the most out of the talent he brings in
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[quote]The team isn’t quite good enough to win the West, even with a favorable schedule, but getting back to double digit wins after not hitting the mark over the last two years is a must
quote:And again, not the same. The "chicken littles" have already concluded that we will not even be competitive in the West, have absolutely no chance of winning it, and will definitely not reach 10 wins.
This is what the "chicken littles" are saying too.
quote:No. The difference between the article and the "chicken littles" is the difference between, "people are watching for clouds in Baton Rouge," and "the sky is falling in Baton Rouge!"
Seems like the article and the "chicken littles" pretty much agree on a lot of things.
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Posted on 7/1/10 at 1:04 pm to Choctaw
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This is still LSU, and it's still a damn strong football program.
try explaining that to some of the chicken littles on here.
Choctaw, you can't even enjoy a good comment any more, you need to take a break. All you are doing is setting it up for further negative comments. Was that really necessary?
Posted on 7/1/10 at 1:07 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:Clearly you were deaf to the din of the offseason following 2007, when the calls for "Miles to Michigan" and bitching about everything from the defense to the time management to the recruiting were loud, clear and frequent in the wake of winning THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
The fact that you honestly beleive this prevents you from having a rational discussion on this matter. Winning cures everything. If we win as much as you say in your quotes above, no one, save for a few imbeciles, will be yelling for Miles to go.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 1:11 pm to Choctaw
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I was mainly referring to the ones that absolutely refuse to say anything positive about the football program because of their disdain for the head coach.
Fair enough. I just hate the positive-all-the-time and the negative-all-the-time types. I like the honest-and-objective-all-the-time types who always root for the Tigers and call it like it is. My intent to do this is consistent, although anyone who says anything that is honest/accurate and critical is lumped in automatically as a "Nega-Tiger"...I call BS.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 1:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Choctaw, you can't even enjoy a good comment any more, you need to take a break. All you are doing is setting it up for further negative comments. Was that really necessary?
i already knew it was coming. You can't post anything remotely positive on this board, so i just decided to get in before the bashing began.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 1:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Choctaw, you can't even enjoy a good comment any more, you need to take a break. All you are doing is setting it up for further negative comments. Was that really necessary?
Maybe not but he's right
Posted on 7/1/10 at 1:23 pm to therocketscientist
quote:It's all about proportions. If 70% of your posts about LSU football are negative, then you either think LSU football is 70% bad or you just enjoy the negative more. Either way, it's neither objective nor accurate. That qualifies as a "negatiger."
I just hate the positive-all-the-time and the negative-all-the-time types. I like the honest-and-objective-all-the-time types who always root for the Tigers and call it like it is. My intent to do this is consistent, although anyone who says anything that is honest/accurate and critical is lumped in automatically as a "Nega-Tiger"...I call BS.
Now establishing the exact threshhold for qualifying as a "negatiger" is an inexact science at best, but clearly anything above 50% negative is safely above the mark in regards to a 9-win, top 25 team.
The more telling aspect, however, is why there is a preference for anything other than positive-all-the-time? How can it possibly be more fun and enjoyable for an LSU fan to think, "Jefferson is going to be shaky this year" than to think, "Jefferson is going to pull it together this year"? Not that I don't have negative thoughts on occassion, but I never, EVER, find it more enjoyable to think those thoughts than it is to think the more positive ones.
Note that this regarding opinions, prospective thoughts and predictions; things we already know don't work the same way. But since no one knows whether we will win or lose the Bama game, thinking we will win is always a more enjoyable choice than thinking we will lose.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 1:27 pm to Jaydeaux
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I really think we could go 14-0, win everything and some of you would still find a reason to complain and want Miles gone.
If they went 14-0 but only won by one every time, they'd complain. If nothing else, the negatigers proved last year that it isn't enough to them to win...they must win convincingly if their unrealistic expectations are to be satisfied.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 1:31 pm to King Joey
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Note that this regarding opinions, prospective thoughts and predictions; things we already know don't work the same way. But since no one knows whether we will win or lose the Bama game, thinking we will win is always a more enjoyable choice than thinking we will lose.
Actually, I think the negativity goes a step further. Last year, after the Vandy game "If we play like this, we'll lose to Georgia." and then when we beat Georgia, right away again, it was "Yeah, but if we play like this, we're gonna lose to Florida."
Which is fine analysis, but it was RIGHT after the game. I mean, even in a great year, you're only going to experience about 10 wins. Why rob yourself of the enjoyment of those wins worrying about the potential loss on the horizon? It was like we spent all year mourning the losses even before they happened, and just overlooking the wins. At a certain point, you have to learn to enjoy things.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 1:31 pm to sml71
now it's unrealistic to want LSU to play up to it's potential and be able to put much lesser talented teams away
Posted on 7/1/10 at 1:34 pm to Baloo
quote:after winning two championships in 7 years, beating ULL, Vandy, MSU, La Tech, and Tulane doesn't make the season for many fans. UGA and Auburn were both fun games, but the rest were beyond frustrating to see such a talented team play so poorly
and just overlooking the wins.
This post was edited on 7/1/10 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 7/1/10 at 1:43 pm to Books
I'm not talking about "making the season". I'm talking that day, that moment, immediately after the win. If you are worried about your misery next Saturday immediately after a win on the current Saturday, you are simply robbing yourself of happiness. The 24-hour rule is supposed to involed, you know, celebrating during that 24 hours.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 1:45 pm to Baloo
quote:And now the offseason as well. This is the part that baffles me. I have been very close to one of the all time great negatigers my entire life. And throughout the entire, horrid era that was most of the '90s I listened to him talk about how horrible the team was going to be while I tried to be more positive (or, in some years, just a bit less negative). And every year, when the season turned out as horrible as he predicted (or worse), he would be just as miserable and upset about it as I was. The only difference I noticed was that from January to August, he was already miserable in advance while I was enjoying the hope (or at least less dreadful doom) of higher expectations. Not once did I ever observe his cynicism or even "objectivity" improve his mood after a game or a season.
It was like we spent all year mourning the losses even before they happened
I just don't see how it is enjoyable to them, but it must be because there's no other reason they would do it.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 1:46 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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if he does, of course then no one is going to mind if he stays.
If he does, all of his haters will be begging him to stay, just like they were in 2007.
...unless they lose a couple the following season.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 1:48 pm to sml71
quote:Sadly, many of them were not. Many of them were proclaiming loudly and frequently (and some might even say, proudly) that they wished he had gone to Michigan, and that he was mediocre (or worse) and was destined to run the program into the ground.
all of his haters will be begging him to stay, just like they were in 2007.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 1:48 pm to King Joey
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The only difference I noticed was that from January to August, he was already miserable in advance while I was enjoying the hope (or at least less dreadful doom) of higher expectations. Not once did I ever observe his cynicism or even "objectivity" improve his mood after a game or a season.
Egg-fricking-zactly.
It makes me think that some people just wouldn't be happy if they weren't miserable.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 1:51 pm to Books
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now it's unrealistic to want LSU to play up to it's potential and be able to put much lesser talented teams away
Not at all Books. It's just amazing how some on here act like there's not a chance we'll improve next year. Of course we all want to put those guys away. I dont like going all the way to Seattle and eeking out a win when we should be skull dragging those guys. I still look on the positive side of things and stick behind my team. Not saying you dont but many on here don't. Not to mention the punks that just keep saying shite they read from another negatiger.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 1:53 pm to sml71
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josh johns
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pushing for time
Posted on 7/1/10 at 1:53 pm to Baloo
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I'm talking that day, that moment, immediately after the win. If you are worried about your misery next Saturday immediately after a win on the current Saturday, you are simply robbing yourself of happiness.
This is a great point. And honestly I've fallen into this trap over the last few years. It's partly due to the success and raised expectations and partly due to the 24/7 environment we live in. Between the internet, cable tv and national sports talk radio, style points and how you look on a given Saturday have been magnified.
But it's a tough line to walk. On the one hand I want that same ability to enjoy each win on it's own merits (like I was able to do in the 70's, 80's and 90's), while still having expectations of something much greater.
Posted on 7/1/10 at 1:55 pm to Jaydeaux
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I dont like going all the way to Seattle and eeking out a win when we should be skull dragging those guys.
However USC going all the way to Seattle and eeking out a LOSS when they should be skull dragging those guys made up for our close win against UW - imv.
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