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Posted on 5/20/21 at 8:55 am to bgtiger
quote:Exactly. I understand winning at State is hard, but he has some time at Florida now and hasn't recruited worth a crap. Recruiting is a BIGGER part of being a head coach than Xs and Os. You have coordinators to help with those. Bottom line is Mullen has a Div Title. O has a Natty + SEC Title.
Why?
Also, Jimbo hasn't really done squat without Crab Legs, just as O hasn't without Burrow. I call them even at this point.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 8:55 am to geauxjo
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Well that’s been a challenge.
Yeh going 15-0 and winning at a 76% clip while competing in the toughest division in NCAA football isn't taken into consideration does it
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It actually destroys your argument. Jimbo has won a NC at a school that “doesn’t put a premium on football”.
Ok what school was that genius? I said OM didn't put a premium of cfb in the early 2000's...you are saying FSU doesn't put a premium on CFB?
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O tanked at a school that -following your line of thinking- isn’t really a FB school. Except for the fact OM has won with other coaches. And you’re ignoring the head to head. Jimbo leads 2-1.
Are you suggesting OM was willing to invest in fb like LSU, FSU, and A&M? You do realize it's almost impossible to compete when other teams in your conference pay more for coaches, facilities, etc right?
The head to head...are you really an LSU fan? We got screwed in ot one year and we gave them hell when we were young and having a terrible yr last yr.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 9:01 am to Topwater Trout
Ed gets blasted for being 2-1 against jumbo but no one bringing up 2-2 against mullen, including beating his best team with Ed's worst team
Posted on 5/20/21 at 9:01 am to whatiknowsofar
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This fricking take is hilarious. They have two 10 win seasons this CENTURY
Coaches have won there. O was worse than awful. Just stop rewriting history. Is what it is.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 9:07 am to geauxjo
quote:to all rational people, this is exactly correct.
He’s up and down in winning percentage. A poor X’s and O’s coach. A poor evaluator of assistant coaching talent. An excellent recruiter. Let’s find out if he caught lightening in a bottle or if he can duplicate that success again.
O is a great recruiter, no doubt there. But his assistant coach/coordinator hires have been poor, with the exception of Brady of course.
2019 was glorious, but it remains to be seen if it was a one-off aberration due to Burrow and Brady, or whether it was the beginning of a sustained period of championship-level play. 2020 was an abomination, but there were some factors at play. 2021 there will be no excuses, so we'll see if we're back at an elite level, seriously in the mix for a championship.
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 9:39 am
Posted on 5/20/21 at 9:10 am to geauxjo
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Coaches have won there. O was worse than awful. Just stop rewriting history. Is what it is.
Won what exactly? Is 8 wins magical? You're grasping straws
Posted on 5/20/21 at 9:13 am to Topwater Trout
You seem to throw out anything that doesn’t fit your narrative. It has definitely been a challenge for O to find the right mixture of assistant coaches. It’s been a huge issue.
And you throw out the head to head because you don’t like the way we lost the OT game? It sucks but we lost. Should we throw out the Fla win last year because of the shoe debacle? Heck no. Just be intellectually honest in your debate here.
If O rights the ship and we become a competitor for a title again or heck even just win 10 or 11 games- I’m definitely wrong in my opinion of him. He’s a great recruiter that can put talent in place but I see him struggling in coaching decisions and keeping us in that group of elite programs. I think we have a good shot at rebounding this year. I really hope we do. For O’s future he really needs to put together a nice season.
And you throw out the head to head because you don’t like the way we lost the OT game? It sucks but we lost. Should we throw out the Fla win last year because of the shoe debacle? Heck no. Just be intellectually honest in your debate here.
If O rights the ship and we become a competitor for a title again or heck even just win 10 or 11 games- I’m definitely wrong in my opinion of him. He’s a great recruiter that can put talent in place but I see him struggling in coaching decisions and keeping us in that group of elite programs. I think we have a good shot at rebounding this year. I really hope we do. For O’s future he really needs to put together a nice season.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 9:17 am to Talmaniandevil_2534
These rankings mean nothing at all. Lets just win another natty
Posted on 5/20/21 at 9:19 am to atltiger6487
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2019 was glorious, but it remains to be seen if it was a one-off aberration due to Burrow and Brady, or whether it was the beginning of a sustained period of championship-level play. 2020 was an abomination, but there were some factors at play. 2021 there will be no excuses, so we'll see if we're back at an elite level, seriously in the mix for a championship.
My point exactly. It’s not personal. I don’t have an agenda. I want LSU to be successful so naturally I want O to be successful. But to ignore some glaring issues and to say it’s wrong to question whether he can keep us in the conversation of being an elite team - that’s just nonsense.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 9:19 am to geauxjo
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Coaches have won there. O was worse than awful. Just stop rewriting history. Is what it is
Ok at LSU (where it counts) Orgeron is 45-14 with a #6 Finish and a Fiesta Bowl win in 2018. Orgeron is 3-1 in Bowl Games at LSU. Orgeron won an SEC Title and a National Championship in 2019 while beating all 4 of the preseason Top 4 teams and going 15-0 with a Heisman winning QB (who O recruited).
However, none of that matters to some because they alway want to talk about Ole Miss as if it matters. It doesn’t. LSU matters and Orgeron is doing very well and Ole Miss still sucks. Oh Orgeron beat Kiffin with a depleted roster and a true Freshman at QB.
That’s some history for you? But I am sure the Ole Miss crap will be all you care about. I seriously doubt you are an LSU fan by your negative outlook on all things with Ed Orgeron and LSU.
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 9:30 am
Posted on 5/20/21 at 9:23 am to Talmaniandevil_2534
Most have seen a few coaches come in win, then fade off...think Chizik. This is Os year to prove himself as the longterm solution.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 9:23 am to Talmaniandevil_2534
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I know I know, O made a beyond questionable hire without even doing an interview.
O also took an average team to the Championship as quickly as any HC, including Saban.
He had record losses of players from that team. Then Covid hit.
He deserves a little slack, IMO.
How many on that list have a winning record vs Orgeron.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 9:31 am to geauxjo
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You seem to throw out anything that doesn’t fit your narrative.
What narrative? That O shouldn't be judged on how he performed at OM? a program that hasn't won shite since i have been alive
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It has definitely been a challenge for O to find the right mixture of assistant coaches. It’s been a huge issue.
Other coaches don't have the same problem? Winning a national title is pretty exclusive and a great sign of success. There are only 5 active coaches in D1 with national titles and 3 of them coach in the SEC west. So why aren't all these other coaches winning titles?
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And you throw out the head to head because you don’t like the way we lost the OT game? It sucks but we lost. Should we throw out the Fla win last year because of the shoe debacle? Heck no. Just be intellectually honest in your debate here.
Challenging that the 2-1 head to head is the definitive factor in making Jimbo superior to O is being intellectually dishonest? Thats laughable...I never brought it to the discussion.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 9:39 am to whatiknowsofar
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Ed gets blasted for being 2-1 against jumbo but no one bringing up 2-2 against mullen, including beating his best team with Ed's worst team
That is called having a narrative lol I am a realist and will see things realistically. I thought O could win a national title at LSU but I sure as hell didn't think this quick. Just the fact we have to face the most successful cfb dynasty every year really hurts the chances of winning the sec or national title.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 9:42 am to whatiknowsofar
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Won what exactly? Is 8 wins magical? You're grasping straws
The coaches immediately before and after Coach O had Ole Miss in a Cotton Bowl. Hugh Freeze in the 2010's had them ranked in the top 5 in the country and beat Bama twice.
Ole Miss is not a powerhouse, but games can be won there. Orgeron won about 30% of his games.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 9:45 am to Gus007
quote:be very careful with comparisons to Saban.
O also took an average team to the Championship as quickly as any HC, including Saban.
As for the 2019 championship, we all give O full credit for putting together the pieces, but those pieces (Burrow and Brady) are long gone. Our concern is whether it was a one-off anomaly.
I mean, many average/poor coaches have had a monster season -- but that alone doesn't make them a good coach. It just means that caught lightning in a bottle.
If we're back to elite play in 2021 and beyond, then I'll give O full credit. But the jury is still out, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 9:49 am to Gus007
quote:an average team?
O also took an average team to the Championship as quickly as any HC, including Saban.
First rounders all over the field!
Posted on 5/20/21 at 9:51 am to Choupique19
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Ole Miss is not a powerhouse, but games can be won there. Orgeron won about 30% of his games
Lol. What is wrong with nuts like you? Orgeron has a 45-14 record at LSU with an SEC & National Championship and you are talking about Ole Miss?
What about Kirby Smart at #7 on that idiot from CBS’ list? Orgeron blew out UGA and Kirby Smart twice and once it was for the SEC Championship. Orgeron has a National Title and competes in the MUCH TOUGHER SEC WEST but still is rated 4 spots below Kirby Smart. This list is by some dude at CBS who I have never heard of but somehow his list is supposedly legitimate? Well it isn’t and it shows once again that many of these writers do not follow College Football.
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