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re: Catch 22 in QB Saga? JJ vs Mett
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:54 am to GeauxTigerTM
Posted on 1/1/12 at 11:54 am to GeauxTigerTM
When JL was starting and Mett was his back-up. He was getting minutes late in the game. If that would have continued both would be better now that we need them. When JJ finally unseated JL. Miles quit giving anyone else playing time. Even late in games when the games were decided or when JJ was struggling. This whole affair has not helped progress next years starter.
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Posted on 1/1/12 at 12:00 pm to rickyh
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This whole affair has not helped progress next years starter.
Oh, with this I agree...though I think it was out of necessity given that JJ had missed the first part of the season. He simply needed as many reps as possible once the staff decided they were going to go with him. After all, winning THIS year must always take precedent to the potential of winning NEXT year.
That being said, I've always preferred the Spurrier Model of playing your back-up QB's...run the same offense. Let them throw it...like the way Miles had let Flynn throw it back against North Texas when he threw for 3 second half TD's. Best way to prepare next year's guy is to let him play the offense he'll be running.
Thankfully the 2012 schedule sets up to allow Mett to ease into playing...so we ought to be fine.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 12:22 pm to GeauxTigerTM
All I know is that most assume we will get better at the position next year, meaning Mett is better than JJ and JLee correct?
If we aren't better at QB next year, the rant is going to be an interesting place.
If we aren't better at QB next year, the rant is going to be an interesting place.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 12:23 pm to MandevilleLSUTiger
It's not just the rant. Gunner said all the players were telling him LSU would be much better next year.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 12:35 pm to MandevilleLSUTiger
I think you nailed it!
However be prepared for an assault by the rantards for making such a bold statement. That to me is the Catch 22 of the whole thread. JJ is better QB than Mett but next season Mett is the QB but he isn't as good as JJ so how are we so much better next season. I know i will get flamed for asking this but i can take the fire. Suiting up with the Kevlar vest and helment as i post.
However be prepared for an assault by the rantards for making such a bold statement. That to me is the Catch 22 of the whole thread. JJ is better QB than Mett but next season Mett is the QB but he isn't as good as JJ so how are we so much better next season. I know i will get flamed for asking this but i can take the fire. Suiting up with the Kevlar vest and helment as i post.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 12:54 pm to tigerprl
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JJ is better QB than Mett but next season Mett is the QB but he isn't as good as JJ so how are we so much better next season.
Let's try it this way...in 2004, who was the best QB on the team? Was it Marcus Randal...or JaMarcus Russell? (I dare someone to fricking say Matt Flynn...)
We all understood that in 2005, we'd be better off at QB, but given the lack of experience of his understudies, it was prudent to play Randall as much as we did. Sure...we could have played nothing but Russell and Flynn and told Randall to get bent AND it may very well have helped our 2005 and 2006 season...or it may not. What would been more likely to have occurred was to have harmed our 2004 season as we struggled with green QB's. For the sake of full disclosure, I wanted Saban and Jimbo to turn the offense over to JR for that very reason, but I understood why they went the way they did.
It's pretty simply to arrive at the very real conclusion that Mett may very well be tons better next year than either of his team mates from 2011, but it doesn't necessarily mean he gives LSU the best shot to win THIS YEAR.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 1:22 pm to GeauxTigerTM
ok i will buy that explanation. Seems reasonable in comparing it to previous years QB choices.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 1:24 pm to tigerprl
So you want to give a guy his first career sart in his first year in the program in the BCSNCG?
This place gets dumber every day i swear
This place gets dumber every day i swear
Posted on 1/1/12 at 1:28 pm to tigerprl
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tigerprl
i wonder if yo have any idea what the practice time reps limitations are and their effect on the THIRD STRING QBs ability to prove himself.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 1:29 pm to tigerprl
There is an easy answer. 99% of coaches go with experience over talent.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 1:32 pm to tigerprl
I know a couple of the players family and word is Mett doesn't put in the time like he is the starter. That's what you wanna see from your backups. It could be bs. It's not an end all statement though. It's hard to focus like you're the starter when you know you're third string.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 1:39 pm to tigerprl
Everyone knew we had a good chance to make a run and they didn't want it to be slowed down by a quarterback who had not played a collegiate snap or didn't know the system. They wanted the chemistry the team had after last years Cotton Bowl.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 1:40 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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I know a couple of the players family and word is Mett doesn't put in the time like he is the starter. That's what you wanna see from your backups. It could be bs. It's not an end all statement though. It's hard to focus like you're the starter when you know you're third string.
I know that's what you want to see as a coach, but that has to be hard as a qb watching JJ struggle like he does and you still sit on the bench.
0 first downs in the first half as a qb is pretty bad.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 1:52 pm to BT
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Well the body of work comes to an anticipated by many conclusion, in about a week.
true, I can't wait for a better QB to take over so that we can finally have a successful season...
Posted on 1/1/12 at 1:55 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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I know a couple of the players family and word is Mett doesn't put in the time like he is the starter. That's what you wanna see from your backups. It could be bs. It's not an end all statement though. It's hard to focus like you're the starter when you know you're third string.
It would be hard to do this when you know it doesn't matter how bad JJ plays, he will never get pulled. He could go 0 for 20 with 4 int and not get pulled. Mett doesnt' have a chance to see the field even if we are up by 40
Posted on 1/1/12 at 1:57 pm to tigerprl
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No doubt with the coaches JJ is the guy, guess we don't really have objective stats to confirm must then be subjective "body of work" thing. Guess thats why i am a fan and not a coach. My best guess is that since they are with them every day Miles gut tells him JJ da man.
It's not really about "gut feels" or subjectiveness as much as it is experience. Unless there is a significant margin of difference in talent level, you go with experience at QB. True or not, I have no idea, but there were reports from multiple sources that Mett didn't pour himself into winning the job when he got here, remember the "I'm kind of mad at him right now", comment Miles made in the summer.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 2:01 pm to TheDoc
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but that has to be hard as a qb watching JJ struggle like he does and you still sit on the bench.
0 first downs in the first half as a qb is pretty bad.
the entire offense was getting it's arse handed to them in the first half, wasn't necessarily a QB only thing. In addition, winners don't sit on the sideline and pout. As fans, we tend to project our "feelings" onto the competitors, when that is rarely the case. Mett looked like he was enjoying being part of a championship team at the Georgia Dome to me.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 2:09 pm to Jdawgz
You're right. It doesn't look like JJ will be pulled. No matter how bad he plays.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 2:12 pm to Colonel Flagg
quote:another Miles failure...
Mett hasn't played enough in easy FBS games to just throw him in against an elite opponent IMO
Posted on 1/1/12 at 2:13 pm to ForeLSU
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wasn't necessarily a QB only thing
He was pretty bad. Rewatch the game.
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