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re: Can WR have team meeting earlier this year to ask JD to throw more?
Posted on 9/5/23 at 2:49 am to la_birdman
Posted on 9/5/23 at 2:49 am to la_birdman
They were dropping balls that were thrown with no touch whatsoever….or at their knees (Brian Thomas)….it wasnt just poor passing. It was poor decision making too….not seeing the field. Maybe the dude needs contacts.
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Posted on 9/5/23 at 2:51 am to la_birdman
I agree that it’s not solely on JD, but you play to win. JD is not the QB to come from behind in a game. Recognize that your D is getting toasted and fight fire with fire with Nussmeier. Put your WRs in a position to take over the game and best FSU. They have the potential to do it and they respond to him accordingly, it isn’t an accident
Posted on 9/5/23 at 2:52 am to Robbytiger
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They were dropping balls that were thrown with no touch whatsoever
Nonsense. I don't know what game you were watching but at least one of Lacy's four drops hit him right in the hands. Even Herbstreit said you can't throw it any better.
So you have at least four drops from just Lacy, the one you mentioned with Thomas.
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It was poor decision making too….not seeing the field. Maybe the dude needs contacts.
It hit them in the hands. What the heck? The one to Thomas was short but he still could've caught it.
But go ahead and blame it on one guy.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 2:55 am to SwampRocket
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you play to win
Agreed.
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JD is not the QB to come from behind in a game
He did it last year a couple of times. With that being said, the coaches didn't put him, or the offense as a whole, in a position to be successful. They kept calling the same predictable calls.
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Recognize that your D is getting toasted
Exactly.
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fight fire with fire with Nussmeier.
I have no idea if this would've mattered but they should've given him the chance. You were down by multiple TDs and running out of time. The team needed a spark and this could've been it. Instead, keep doing what wasn't working.
Sorry but that's on the coaches.
Like you said,
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you play to win
Posted on 9/5/23 at 2:55 am to la_birdman
Do you realize how many balls hit the defender in the back….no accuracy whatsoever. You obviously didn’t watch the game. It’s not only the passes he threw, but also the ones that he should have thrown, but didn’t….
Posted on 9/5/23 at 2:56 am to la_birdman
For better or for worse, the WR respond to a vibe, energy that we don’t have with JD. You gotta open up the offense whether that’s with JD or not. Denbrock has the scheme, in fact I remember the hate because it was said he had too many deep routes that take too long to develop. Only one QB has made those work and it ain’t him
Posted on 9/5/23 at 2:59 am to Robbytiger
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You obviously didn’t watch the game
Obviously.
I just mentioned five dropped passes that hit the receivers right in the hands. I guess Nabers slipping and laying there watching the defender intercept the ball was on Daniels too? Why did Nabers just lay on the ground instead of getting up and try to tackle the guy? Daniels made him do it?
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Do you realize how many balls hit the defender in the back….no accuracy whatsoever.
It hit Lacy right in his hands. Now it's hitting the defender in the back and was inaccurate.
So which is it? It can't be both.
Daniels didn't have his best game but you don't need to make up stuff.
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 3:03 am
Posted on 9/5/23 at 3:02 am to SwampRocket
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You gotta open up the offense whether that’s with JD or not
That's exactly what I said. Who knows if it would've made a difference but you have to try.
The coaches didn't.
I don't blame the loss solely on Daniels. It was a myriad of reasons but some on here just hate the guy for some ridiculous reason.
I expected him to have progressed, he hasn't. That doesn't mean I hate him. But I've seen some terrible comments directed to him and only him in the last day or so from so called "fans."
I get being ticked off but geez. I won't repeat what I read but it was pretty terrible.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 3:02 am to SwampRocket
These JD apologist are quick to judge Nuss….but you better not say a damn thing about JD’s accuracy or decision making….just blame the wrs….it’s not jds fault….
I saw that Lacy dropped a laser on that slant route….I’m pretty sure Lacy was thinking of his long term health on that one…and he lost his concentration….
JD can’t pass it to them on a nice safe high percentage route…he lacks the skill and accuracy….he had no touch…..his best pass is a laser to the sideline….
I saw that Lacy dropped a laser on that slant route….I’m pretty sure Lacy was thinking of his long term health on that one…and he lost his concentration….
JD can’t pass it to them on a nice safe high percentage route…he lacks the skill and accuracy….he had no touch…..his best pass is a laser to the sideline….
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 3:05 am
Posted on 9/5/23 at 3:08 am to Robbytiger
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These JD apologist are quick to judge Nuss
I know Garrett in a round about sort of way. I know his family. I won't get into details but I hardly am "quick to judge him."
I've been pulling for him for three years now and Daniels. Something you're seemingly incapable of doing.
I'm adult enough to accept the fact that the coaches put the best QB in the position however my statement with that is now shaken based on what I saw last night.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 3:10 am to Robbytiger
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and he lost his concentration
So that's on Daniels?
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he lacks the skill and accuracy
Aside from hitting Lacy in the hands. Even Herbstreit said the same. All those passes to Mason Taylor that hit him right in the hands were caught.
I'll never understand why some of y'all hate this kid so much. It's baffling.
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 3:13 am
Posted on 9/5/23 at 3:13 am to Robbytiger
I’m not saying JD is bad. But the response is clear. The dropped passes with JD are completions with Nuss. It doesn’t have to have a logical explanation, it’s just the reality
Posted on 9/5/23 at 3:14 am to la_birdman
Yes that’s on JD. Putting a ball in a place where your wr can get a career ending hit…..
Poor ball placement….find another receiver and throw him open…..that’s what I expect out of a good qb…..
Poor ball placement….find another receiver and throw him open…..that’s what I expect out of a good qb…..
Posted on 9/5/23 at 3:16 am to SwampRocket
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The dropped passes with JD are completions with Nuss
Maybe. There's way to say this with any certainty however I do agree with you that the coaches should've tried.
Give Nuss a chance because in the second half, nothing was working. FSU knew to plan for Daniels to run and that's exactly what they did.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 3:17 am to la_birdman
We don’t hate JD. We just see that he’s not a good qb…..
Why do you hate Nuss? Why so quick to judge Nuss? Did you watch what he did against Ga? It wasn’t garbage time (like the JD apologist say) there was plenty of time on the clock….
Why do you hate Nuss? Why so quick to judge Nuss? Did you watch what he did against Ga? It wasn’t garbage time (like the JD apologist say) there was plenty of time on the clock….
Posted on 9/5/23 at 3:19 am to Robbytiger
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Poor ball placement….find another receiver and throw him open…..that’s what I expect out of a good qb…..
What are you talking about? It hit Lacy right in the hands. That's four dropped passes from him. At least one from Thomas.
But miraculously, the passes to Mason Taylor were caught. I don't think he dropped one.
So which is it?
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Putting a ball in a place where your wr can get a career ending hit…..
What?
Who was that? Really asking.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 3:19 am to Robbytiger
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Why do you hate Nuss? Why so quick to judge Nuss?
Did you even read what I said? Where did you even get that ridiculous idea?
Go up about 7 posts.
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 3:22 am
Posted on 9/5/23 at 3:22 am to la_birdman
Yes there’s only one way to find out and that’s through experimentation and putting him in the game. No reason not to when it’s 45-17 and you aren’t moving the ball. I like Kelly but I really do believe he is that hard headed to not admit a mistake and make a change when he convinced a guy to come back when he should have gone.
You have to be a threat across all levels of the field to win against the best and JD ain’t that. Nothing wrong with who he is, he just is who he is. How many intermediate routes did we hit? Nuss has displayed the ability to hang in there and find those. We were led to believe JD had made that step, but it’s clear he did not. So do the right thing and make the change. It’s about winning
You have to be a threat across all levels of the field to win against the best and JD ain’t that. Nothing wrong with who he is, he just is who he is. How many intermediate routes did we hit? Nuss has displayed the ability to hang in there and find those. We were led to believe JD had made that step, but it’s clear he did not. So do the right thing and make the change. It’s about winning
Posted on 9/5/23 at 3:23 am to la_birdman
I have been pulling for any qb that could get it done….I don’t hate anyone…but I do know a lot of people that are quick to point out Nuss’s faults….but you better not say one bad thing about JD. I’m pretty sick and tired of this. It’s obvious an NFL scout would not draft him….he’s all Johnny Manziel…..so why continue to play him?
Posted on 9/5/23 at 3:23 am to SwampRocket
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No reason not to when it’s 45-17 and you aren’t moving the ball.
Agreed.
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We were led to believe JD had made that step, but it’s clear he did not.
Agreed.
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