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re: Can the Jarrett Lee knights...
Posted on 1/13/09 at 6:42 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Posted on 1/13/09 at 6:42 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:And if someone were to present these stats in an argument to refute the statement, "Aaron Brooks is garbage and the worst QB in the history of the Saints and can walk off a cliff for all I care," would you bitch at them for twisting facts to make a bullshite argument?
-Aaron Brooks threw for more than 20 touchdowns and 3,500 yards in four consecutive seasons -- the best streaks in either category in club history.
-Aaron Brooks is the Saints TD leader over Archie Manning 120-115
-Aaron Brooks has 1 of 2 Saints victories in the Playoffs in franchise History
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Posted on 1/13/09 at 6:47 pm to beauchristopher
people beat down a kid who did play his best for his team and had some trouble along the way. but it wasn't lee'splays . it was play call from the sideline and a struggling defense and really the offensive line didn't meet the expectation they were supposed to they were the biggest and most experienced line in college football a human wall yet i saw several times where the qb was rushed to get rid of the ball.oh and that was by both qb's.there is no way a qb will play like they have no clue and then all of the sudden look like a season vet. except if the play calling changed. look at the games and watch the opposing teams defense they knew every play that was called just stack the box .because 1st and 2nd down will be a run then watch for the pass on 3rd. gt game was a completely different play calling game we passed on 1st and sometimes on 2nd and we scored. same in 2nd half of the auby troy games. so don't blame these games on the qb theirs plenty of blame all the way around.
Posted on 1/13/09 at 6:48 pm to RobbBobb
He made freshman mistakes. I guess thats expected when your a FRESHMAN.
It does not matter anyway so i dont see why anybody would want to bash or defend him at this point. He will be in competition with JJ come spring time, and if he can beat him out he is the QB.
So that means until then just shut up
It does not matter anyway so i dont see why anybody would want to bash or defend him at this point. He will be in competition with JJ come spring time, and if he can beat him out he is the QB.
So that means until then just shut up
Posted on 1/13/09 at 6:49 pm to King Joey
((not directed to anyone in particular))
When was the last time anybody saw any QB:
+ Have to score 31 points with an ineffective running game consistently (late-season) and receivers dropping passes
+ Have to score 50+ points
and actually succeed? Five times?
Because that's what ended up happening.
Oh, BTW -- Chris Mitchell dropped the game-winning TD bomb from Lee in the Alabama game. He wasn't great, Lee, but he did enough to win.
When was the last time anybody saw any QB:
+ Have to score 31 points with an ineffective running game consistently (late-season) and receivers dropping passes
+ Have to score 50+ points
and actually succeed? Five times?
Because that's what ended up happening.
Oh, BTW -- Chris Mitchell dropped the game-winning TD bomb from Lee in the Alabama game. He wasn't great, Lee, but he did enough to win.
Posted on 1/13/09 at 6:50 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:I have no idea how anyone in their right mind can think this. The single most impressive showing by any LSU player this season was the gumption and determination and strength of psyche shown by Jarrett Lee. There was never the slightest indication whatsoever that he ever even thought about giving up, on himself or anything else.
That he'd given up on himself?
quote:I expect almost every LSU player this year would call this season "awful", with 5 losses and a losing record in SEC play. That doesn't mean any particular one of them personally had an awful season. Even the ones who would say that they personally had an awful season didn't necessarily actually have an awful season. Players are often harder on themselves than reality. Its part of what drives them to keep getting better.
You don't think Lee would call this season awful?
But the real question is this; what exactly does it hurt for LSU fans to defend an LSU player from criticism about a season that has already ended and that nothing whatsoever can change?
More importantly, what does it benefit anyone for other LSU fans to continue to criticize an LSU player for a season that has already ended and that nothing whatsoever can change?
Posted on 1/13/09 at 7:06 pm to beauchristopher
quote:I was watching the Auburn game tape last night, and of Lee's first 6 passes in that game (including the Pick 6 and the TD bomb), one went to LaFell.
lee didn't use all of the weapons we have on wideout (JJ does), stop forcing the ball to lafell every play
I wondered all season why people kept saying this about Lee, and then noticed it again last night. LaFell and Dickson were our two best receiving threats last year (as far as I could tell). Throwing a disproportionate number of passes to either (or both) of them is not a bad thing.
Was it bad for Ro to "force" every ball to Josh Reed?
quote:Like the 39 yard bomb to Chris Mitchell in his first meaningful game experience?
hit d byrd on a fly (byrd is gone now i know).. so some other receiver will replace the speed
In the four games in which Lee accounted for every completion, only in the Troy game did he account for more than 40% of our receptions. Yes, he did catch more than anyone else, but are you people seriously arguing that it's a bad thing to have a leading receiver?
Posted on 1/13/09 at 7:14 pm to King Joey
Heres the bottom line
LSU is one of the top football programs in the country. There have been many freshman QBs that have been able to step up to the plate, and being the powerhouse that we are, we should never have had to witness the struggle that was Jarrett Lee this year. He really failed miserably by almost every standard.
LSU is one of the top football programs in the country. There have been many freshman QBs that have been able to step up to the plate, and being the powerhouse that we are, we should never have had to witness the struggle that was Jarrett Lee this year. He really failed miserably by almost every standard.
Posted on 1/13/09 at 7:18 pm to LSU Fan 90812
can people quit posting about jarrett lee?
Posted on 1/13/09 at 7:26 pm to beauchristopher
quote:
incoming russell shepard is a natural leader.. lee doesn't really seem to rally the team around him
Yeah, because I'm so sure that on the recruiting trail, Miles & Co. were like, "well, we need to find a QB with no leadership skills; hey, how about this Lee kid? Says right here on his scouting report, 'no leadership skills'!"
No one knows how/if Shepard will lead a team at LSU. Just like no one knows how/if Lee led (or will lead) a team at LSU. I saw a RS Freshman QB who came in for an injured starter after a horrible pick, and led his team to a win at Auburn, where we hadn't won in a decade. I saw a QB who was in there leading his team until the end against Georgia, fighting to keep us in the game while the defense kept giving up TD after TD. I saw a guy who overcame 3 horrible quarters by the ENTIRE team to get everyone's heads on straight and come back from 4 TDs down to beat Troy. And yes, it did take horrible play to get down that much . . . no LSU defense should EVER give up that many points to a Sun Belt team. BEFORE Lee threw his one pick in that game (our offenses only turnover), the defense had already given up a 16 play, 88 yard TD drive on the opening drive, a 7 play, 67 yard TD drive on the second drive, and 15 play, 53 yard FG drive on the fourth drive. 17 points in under 20 minutes of gametime TO A SUN BELT TEAM.
And that redshirt freshman came out and led that team to 5 TDs and a FG in the last 17 minutes. And the defense started stopping Troy, for the first time all night. Now, if y'all want to blame the defenses bad performances in other games on Lee's "soul crushing" turnovers, then it would be complete bullshite for y'all not to credit him for getting the defense to pull its head out of its collective asses and start playing defense.
None of us are in a position to say Lee has no leadership. He had a bad season, but he never quit and he kept playing until the end. And on more than one occassion, he -- as a freshman -- led this team to victory when no one else was doing the job.
Posted on 1/13/09 at 7:28 pm to Charlie Scene
quote:Well, if for no other reason, I would defend him because he's an LSU player and I'm an LSU fan.
i dont see why anybody would want to bash or defend him at this point.
But the bashing, yeah, I don't get it. It's like these people actually think they can undo some of those losses if the trash Lee enough.
Posted on 1/13/09 at 7:33 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:
Just stop and admit that he had an awful season?
Please? He had some flashes of good, but no amount of good can erase the game-changing interceptions that happened on an all too frequent basis.
No amount of statistical evidence: ratings, yards, TDs or otherwise can change that he put LSU in bad positions in almost every game he played.
No amount of Freshman excuses can be issued either.
Stop taking up for him. Stop comparing him to JJ. It was a bad year. Hopefully he comes back and does better.
I don't think anyone is questioning what you are saying here. It is just obvious to most people that the guy would have been really good with the proper amount of seasoning and experience. Most would agree that Jefferson deserves the starter role unless someone can outplay him for it.
Posted on 1/13/09 at 7:34 pm to drewb808
quote:"Many"? How many is "many"?
There have been many freshman QBs that have been able to step up to the plate
quote:We were not a powerhouse this year. We had an abysmal defense. We gave up 24 points (on defense) to a Sun Belt team that was beating us. We gave up 5 TD drives over 60 yards to Georgia. We gave up 44 points on defense to Florida. We gave up 31 points to Arkansas. Our defense was horrible this year, and no QB in our history would have made us the powerhouse that we have been in most recent seasons.
being the powerhouse that we are, we should never have had to witness the struggle that was Jarrett Lee this year.
quote:He, Hatch and Jefferson combined for just as successful a season as Mauck and Randall did in '02, when we had a better defense and neither of them were freshmen. 8-5 with a defense as bad as ours is not a miserable failure by our QB; its a miserable failure by our team (but only by our recent high standards).
He really failed miserably by almost every standard.
Posted on 1/14/09 at 12:30 am to drewb808
it don't make a shite who would have played qb this season with the way the plays were being called no one would have done any better. 1st run up the middle ,2nd run up the middle and 3rd an 8 or9 yards lets pass.we fooled that defense.it was like that all season.don't blame lee. the offensive line didn't protect like expected this year either.
Posted on 1/14/09 at 8:04 am to drewb808
quote:
LSU is one of the top football programs in the country.
Agreed.
quote:
There have been many freshman QBs that have been able to step up to the plate
Such as?
quote:
and being the powerhouse that we are, we should never have had to witness the struggle that was Jarrett Lee this year.
quote:
He really failed miserably by almost every standard.
Again, except for the won/loss record of 7-4 in the SEC with the worst D in the SEC and with all three losses coming to teams finishing in the top 10 and the 4th against a top 15 team.
Posted on 1/14/09 at 8:23 am to King Joey
quote:Minus the 53 points given to the opposing team.
He, Hatch and Jefferson combined for just as successful a season as Mauck and Randall did in '02,
Posted on 1/14/09 at 8:45 am to lsutothetop
quote:
but he did enough to win.
didn't lee throw 4 INT's in that game?
one of which was a pick 6?
Posted on 1/14/09 at 8:47 am to drewb808
quote:
LSU is one of the top football programs in the country. There have been many freshman QBs that have been able to step up to the plate, and being the powerhouse that we are, we should never have had to witness the struggle that was Jarrett Lee this year. He really failed miserably by almost every standard.
pretty much.
USC wouldn't have kept playing lee after failing so badly.
Posted on 1/14/09 at 8:47 am to LSU Fan 90812
quote:
It was a bad year. Hopefully he comes back and does better.
i thought that is what most of the "Jarrett Lee knights" were saying.
its the others that want him gone and act like the 18 year old kid ruined LSU forever.
Posted on 1/14/09 at 8:48 am to King Joey
quote:
Just like no one knows how/if Lee led (or will lead) a team at LSU
well, I have a little bit of a idea.
Posted on 1/14/09 at 8:49 am to LSU Fan 90812
quote:
Just stop and admit that he had an awful season?
Yeah but think about it... he was suppose to be sitting on the bench this year behind Ryan Perrilloux and Andrew Hatch!! He was only suppose to be the back up/clean up guy if even that!!!! He had to step up and at least he tried!! Plus you know he had to be about to crap in his pants every snap he took in every game!!
This post was edited on 1/14/09 at 8:54 am
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