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re: Can someone give an example of Miles poor game management

Posted on 11/23/09 at 2:12 pm to
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 11/23/09 at 2:12 pm to
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I rarely remember the ones when we end up winning. But that doesn't make them "good calls."
Fine, but you're wrong about Auburn '07, unless you are talking about the 1 point conversion.
Posted by Bert Lyons 716
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 11/23/09 at 2:13 pm to
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Oregon State (i think) fake punt inside our 10 yard line.




Arizona State game in 2005. That one isn't on Les. Chris Jackson had the green light to call that pass whenever the gunner wasn't covered. Prude wasn't covered and Jackson called it on his own.

Hey Antonio,I'm waiting on specific examples where coaches have put JJ in bad situations. How about your coach's mental mistakes?
Posted by Weaver
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Posted on 11/23/09 at 2:14 pm to
I agree. Saying about Auburn. I have watched that game and if Byrd drops the ball, he had 1 second. Even that was shitty, as I thought there should have been at least 3 seconds left. I can't recall all of the problems before 2008. Not saying there were not, but I don't think Auburn is a good example.
Posted by spinoza
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Posted on 11/23/09 at 2:15 pm to


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The Auburn game where Flynn threw the TD pass to Byrd with no time left. Miles thought there was more time on the clock; enough for another play if it was dropped.



...if that risky pass failed, then the melt-down would have started at that time, IMO...




Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 11/23/09 at 2:17 pm to
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I think its safe to say that leaving this decision up to a punter (when the ball in inside the 20) is bad game management - audible or not.


I disagree. The likelihood of that play being successful has to be like 90%. The play is only used when the gunner is uncovered. You basically have a punter (an athletic one in Jackson) throw a 15 yard pass to an uncovered gunner (who is there for speed purposes). The only way it fails is if the pass is over/under thrown or the gunner drops it. There is no way for the defense to stop it at that point.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 11/23/09 at 2:18 pm to
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I think its safe to say that leaving this decision up to a punter (when the ball in inside the 20) is bad game management - audible or not.




Yeah, why would we want our punter to able to make an easy first down to a WIDE OPEN receiver if the other team does something stupid and gives us a GOLDEN opportunity? Bad coaching.



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it's hard to remember exact points in time, because none have really cost us a game. But there have definitely been a few examples of him showing his arse



I rewatched every SEC game since 2005 this offseason (thanks goodolmac ), and I truly didn't see many. This idea that Miles is bad game manager is based purely on that UT game IMO, and now that our O is so terrible, people are saying "See, that's how it's always been" even though no one can give me a good, specific example.

I think we've seen some frustrating moments the last two years because of our OC, young QBs, and overall our teams aren't as talented as they were 2005-2007.

Next year will be different. I think we'll have experience at key positions, and hopefully a new OC to use it.
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 11/23/09 at 2:21 pm to
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...if that risky pass failed, then the melt-down would have started at that time, IMO...
You mean after the failed field goal attempt?
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 11/23/09 at 2:21 pm to
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Hey Antonio,I'm waiting on specific examples where coaches have put JJ in bad situations. How about your coach's mental mistakes?


2nd down and ten from 30 yard line against Ole Miss with under a minute left. I've been over this like ten times today already.
Posted by LSUgrad88
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 11/23/09 at 2:23 pm to
Whe I first read this, I thought it had to be a joke. But apparently, it was serious. So ff the top of my head, here are a few. This year against Washington, when he calls his LAST timeout wth 40 seconds left in the first half and Washington facing a 3rd and 1. Even if we stop Washington, since we don't have a timeout left, they will just run out the clock rather than punt. So of course Washington predictably runs the ball and gets the first down. Now they take a a shot down the field, get it and end up with three points they never would have gotten but for the horrible decision to call timeout in a situation where there was no upside to calling it. The Arkansas game in 2007, also comes to mind, when Les and STAFF, facing a third and goal with over a minute left on the clock hurry up and call timeout as soon as the second down play was over. Gary Danielson asks on the CBS broadcast why LSU would call timoeut so quickly since they only have two plays left. The third down run is unsuccessful, and Les immediately calls timeout rather than letting it run down again before calling timeout. Gary Danielson again wonders why LSU is calling timeout so quickly when they only have one play left. We score on fourth down, and rather than there being 20 or 30 seconds at most left, Arkansas has over 50 seconds and timeouts left. When the kickoff is returned to almost midfield, this blunder was even more potentially costly. Luckily, Arkansas was unable to get into field goal range, and the horseshoe up Les' arse was still there. The Kentucky game in 2007 also comes to mind with the poor use of the clock at the end of the game. For another, the ridiculous timeout late against Alabama last year, which could only have been called to make sure Alabama was able to move the ball in the middle of the field for a better angle for the field goal. But again, we blocked the field goal, so horseshoe still there as the game management skills didn;t actually cost us the game. But this Saturday, the horseshoe finally fell out. Unfortunately, I could go on with examples (Auburn '07 etc), which is kind of the point.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 11/23/09 at 2:24 pm to
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I think its safe to say that leaving this decision up to a punter (when the ball in inside the 20) is bad game management - audible or not.



Miles had the red-arse about Jackson doing that so deep in his own territory. Thus, that was our first glimpse of how Miles runs his teams.

Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 11/23/09 at 2:27 pm to
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Whe I first read this, I thought it had to be a joke.



Maybe you should reread it again when I said BEFORE 2008.

So you listed the end of the Arkansas game, which I agree was not good. And the KY game which I do not agree.

So you listed ONE example, and you thought my post was a joke. Gotcha.


quote:

Unfortunately, I could go on with examples


No, please do.
Posted by stewie
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 11/23/09 at 2:29 pm to
Arkansas last year. Didn't he have two or three timeouts at the end of the game when 40 seconds or so were on the clock.

Instead of using a timeout and calling a good play, we rushed and had a number of wasted plays.

It's happened a couple of times.
Posted by ssgrice
Arizona
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Posted on 11/23/09 at 2:32 pm to
How about Auburn in 06? 3 2nd half time-outs left over.
Remember the Craig's List Ad?
Posted by trey3:16
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Posted on 11/23/09 at 2:44 pm to
I think he just tries to gamble too much with these young players. Either him or crowton needs to be gone after this season.
Posted by emmanuellewis
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Member since May 2009
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Posted on 11/23/09 at 2:55 pm to
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I rarely remember the ones when we end up winning. But that doesn't make them "good calls."


Exactly, the Auburn thing was not good. Counting the last play, LSU ran either 2 or 3 plays in the last 1:20 of the game. If I remember correctly, they sat on one timeout (that never was used). There is no reason they should have had to hurry the play that they did. If Byrd misses it, they have enough time for a FG. If David misses the FG, Miles gets rightfully blasted for the way he managed the last minute and a half.
Posted by ATLTiger
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Posted on 11/23/09 at 2:57 pm to
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How about Auburn in 06? 3 2nd half time-outs left over.


you sure about that? because didn't JR taking a sack damn near kill us?
Posted by BayouBlue
Austin
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Posted on 11/23/09 at 2:58 pm to
How many turnovers and penalties do we have... A well coached team does not have excessive penalties... just say'n...
Posted by BayouBlue
Austin
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Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:01 pm to
With our talent we should not be in a position to lose a game like we just did; we can't score over 31 points a game (outside of Tulane)

Our Offense should be putting up 50 points a week with the talent we recruit...

Just say'n...
Posted by emmanuellewis
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:02 pm to
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Maybe you should reread it again when I said BEFORE 2008.


Jesus, its hard for me to even recall some of the screwups this year. The Washington thing slipped my mind and I was irate about that at the time. This year, he has screwed up the clock against Washington, Georgia, and Ole Miss. The last two were about as bad as it gets.

eta: Btw, I think it was the Arkansas game last year were he sat on all of his timeouts and never used them. The Arkansas '07 example is another great one that the previous poster mentioned. I didn't remember it because it didn't end up costing us, but that was awful.
This post was edited on 11/23/09 at 3:05 pm
Posted by TheRoarRestoredInBR
Member since Dec 2004
31015 posts
Posted on 11/23/09 at 3:05 pm to
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He was 10 minutes late for the press conference.


People joke, but he is late for each and every presser, speaking engagement, etc..

If people don't realize this as a dead serious tell of his mindset and mentality, and a character flaw that spills over to his coaching..then folks are clueless.

Thirty seconds late..4 million dollars short!
This post was edited on 11/23/09 at 3:05 pm
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