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Posted on 1/20/16 at 3:27 pm to Tigerinthehollow
Yes...LSU could have the most first rounders ever.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 3:29 pm to Tigerinthehollow
Another thing to keep in mind is how fluid the draft is. Trades and position demands screw things up a lot. Sometimes a top flight RB doesn't get picked early because most of the first picks are for say lineman.
So a last half first round selecting team may not pick the number one RB bc they also need a lineman, and decide they could get a better value on selecting a RB in round two or three.
This is also far more common with RBs anyway, but it happens all the time based on how much of a demand each draft class has.
So a last half first round selecting team may not pick the number one RB bc they also need a lineman, and decide they could get a better value on selecting a RB in round two or three.
This is also far more common with RBs anyway, but it happens all the time based on how much of a demand each draft class has.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 3:29 pm to Tigerinthehollow
Fournette - Assuming no crazy injury, he's a lock.
Dupre - I could see it.
Pocic - Let him play a year at T first.
White - Sure, he's a damn good cover corner.
Beckwith - Ehh. MLBs are not taken in the first round unless they are Luke K style studs nowadays. I'd say 2nd round.
Adams - If he can bring back the playmaking of his freshman year and runs well, definitely.
Dupre - I could see it.
Pocic - Let him play a year at T first.
White - Sure, he's a damn good cover corner.
Beckwith - Ehh. MLBs are not taken in the first round unless they are Luke K style studs nowadays. I'd say 2nd round.
Adams - If he can bring back the playmaking of his freshman year and runs well, definitely.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 3:30 pm to Tigerinthehollow
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We need Harris to join the group that could go top 2 rounds
Then CC an LM are going to need to showcase his talents in a more productive way. Again, it will be interesting to see if changes are made on the offensive side of the ball.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 3:37 pm to Tigerinthehollow
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fournette...Landry didn't have near the measurables as Dupree....minter was solid but never heard he had a shot at first.
Hill had great stats, and fantastic measurables. No one can be like Fournette though.
Landry had far better productivity (up to this point anyway) even while playing opposite of OBJ. He isn't quite as tall, but their speed is likely even.
Minter had better stats than 1st round pick Manti Te'o.
You're fooling yourself to act like those guys weren't being described exactly how you are talking these current players.
Every year I read about how we have 5-6 first round picks, then those same posters get upset when guys go later than they think they should have.
It's about as bad of a pipe dream as guys wanting the Saints to select every former Tiger.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 3:44 pm to Bmath
I'm fooling myself to think lf and hill are/were considered the same? Come on man.
As for Landry...no one knew he would blow up. The draft is huge on measurable, combine, potential. Dupree is superior to Landry in those areas, and I'm not even saying Dupree will be better than Landry in the pros. But the fact is Dupree has freakish ability and probably wont have it held against him that he had no qb.
As for beck...he may go second...but with new DC, he could blow up.
The mock had Dupree at #16...not even borderline...and lf #3.....I doubt you could find a mock with Landry and hill close to that.
As for Landry...no one knew he would blow up. The draft is huge on measurable, combine, potential. Dupree is superior to Landry in those areas, and I'm not even saying Dupree will be better than Landry in the pros. But the fact is Dupree has freakish ability and probably wont have it held against him that he had no qb.
As for beck...he may go second...but with new DC, he could blow up.
The mock had Dupree at #16...not even borderline...and lf #3.....I doubt you could find a mock with Landry and hill close to that.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 3:52 pm to Tigerinthehollow
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I'm fooling myself to think lf and hill are/were considered the same? Come on man.
The problem is that you are literally going position by position. I'm talking about the group as a whole.
Of course Hill is not Fournette, but he was still one of the elite backs in his class.
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Landry...no one knew he would blow up.
Do you really not remember a lot of talk that Landry had better pro potential than OBJ? Plenty of people knew he would be very successful. Landry was injured at the combine, and still graded out high enough to make it in round 2.
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beck...he may go second...but with new DC, he could blow up.
I like Beckwith, but he has a lot to prove.
That's what makes all of this fun though. So much can change in a year.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:14 pm to Tigerinthehollow
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Well the publication putting out this mock does have 2 Clemson and 2 Ohio st. ..and this is one of the most resoected, and they have 6 tigers of the LSU variety....not including white and beck....but I'll say this...even if they don't all go first....I'd say there is great chance to have 8 in first and second. That's pretty damn strong.
I'm talking this year's draft. At the lowest Ohio State gets 4 in the first round with most likely 5 total (OT, DE, LB, WR, RB). LSU likely has just as much if not more go in 2017.
People forget that usually this would have been spread over 2 years for the typical LSU team.
White would have been a fringe 1st rounder this year while Beckwith, Dural, and Pocic would have been top 3 rounds along with Hawkins and Alexander. All those guys are pretty much locks to go in the top 3 rounds this year.
With top 3 round talents Beckwith, Dural, White, and Pocic coming back (who would usually leave early), plus 1st round locks (IMO) in Fournette, Dupre, and Adams, it makes for a higher first round for LSU in 2017.
I can see 5 out of those 7 go in the 1st and Godchaux is another that could. Anyway you slice it, adding Neal, LSU will likely have 9 players go in the 1st 2 rounds which is pretty damn insane. Others that should get drafted are Jefferson (he will test very well at the combine) and Lacoutre (top 5 rounds).
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:23 pm to Bmath
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That's fair. Just keep in mind that "special" players like Jarvis Landry, Kevin Minter, and Jeremy Hill weren't selected in the first round.
The thing you aren't getting is that the guys that will be going at those positions, are much more physically gifted.
WR
Dural 6'2 200+ running a 4.4 something and Dupre is 6'3 will be around 200 with anywhere from a 40-42 inch vertical.
LB
Beckwith is just a better athlete that Minter (better player is TBD).
RB
Fournette is a once in a decade RB so no doubt he's a top 10 pick. His measurables and skills compare with the best all time.
S
There isn't a better safety for 2017 than Adams. I'd like for someone to name me one.
OL
Pocic will play a tackle spot (hopefully LT), and will be a 1st round lock at OT or OG.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:32 pm to Bmath
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Another thing to keep in mind is how fluid the draft is. Trades and position demands screw things up a lot. Sometimes a top flight RB doesn't get picked early because most of the first picks are for say lineman.
So a last half first round selecting team may not pick the number one RB bc they also need a lineman, and decide they could get a better value on selecting a RB in round two or three.
This is also far more common with RBs anyway, but it happens all the time based on how much of a demand each draft class has.
You forget BPA. If you really think there is a chance Fournette goes outside of the top 10, you're insane. I don't care how much homerism you think I have, there is no way he goes outside the top 10.
Look at Gurley who went 10th overall with a torn acl. That's a year after getting Tre Mason in the 3rd who averaged 4.3 ypc with over 700 yards and 4 TDs, and that was AFTER getting Zac Stacy in the 5th round who had over 900 yards and 7 TDs as a rookie.
ETA: When you are that good, you are a take regardless.
This post was edited on 1/20/16 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 1/20/16 at 5:08 pm to Bmath
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Hill had great stats, and fantastic measurables. No one can be like Fournette though.
Nobody thought Hill was going to go in the first. His combine stats also didn't jump out, outside of his 10 yard split (which we always knew about). What we did know, was that he was the best back in the draft, but the NFL had a bugaboo about drafting RBs in the 1st without crazy physical talent to go along with crazy production.
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Landry had far better productivity (up to this point anyway) even while playing opposite of OBJ.
He isn't quite as tall, but their speed is likely even
Landry TRFR with 2 senior QBs - 4 rec 43 yards
Landry TFSO with RSJR JUCO QB - 56 rec 573 yards 5 TDs
Dupre TRFR with TRSO QB - 14 rec 318 yards 5 TDs
Dupre TRSO with TRSO QB - 43 rec 698 yards 6 TDs
Now Landry did have jr Randle in front, but he was also a 5 star WR himself, but mostly played special teams and was tied for 9th in receptions and 8th in yards playing in every game (14, but mostly on special teams)
Dupre will have 4 inches on Landry with a WAY better vertical. Even if he runs the same as Landry (which I doubt because Landry was injured at the time) he has those 4 inches and leaping ability at the same speed.
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Minter had better stats than 1st round pick Manti Te'o.
Now this IDK.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 5:38 pm to Datbayoubengal
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If you really think there is a chance Fournette goes outside of the top 10, you're insane
Its very possible that he could... It depends on what teams need what... The RB position is way different than it used to be....Its not as cut and dry as it once was... LF will be a real good pro but if he is still on the board at # 20 it would not surprise me...
Posted on 1/20/16 at 5:43 pm to Tigerinthehollow
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Fournette, Dupree, pocic, white, beck, Adams?
1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 1st
Just being realistic.
This post was edited on 1/20/16 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 1/20/16 at 6:18 pm to Datbayoubengal
I agree on all accounts.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 6:20 pm to SouthTiger504
Dupree is a middle first round pick in most all mocks.
What about Neal and godcheaux? Most mocks have them first round ahead of white and beckwith.
What about Neal and godcheaux? Most mocks have them first round ahead of white and beckwith.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 6:26 pm to dukke v
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Its very possible that he could... It depends on what teams need what... The RB position is way different than it used to be....Its not as cut and dry as it once was... LF will be a real good pro but if he is still on the board at # 20 it would not surprise me...
Both of y'all are insane. This isn't your every year top RB with decent measurables and great production. This is an RB who is about to shatter every LSU rushing record, most of the SEC rushing records, and likely heisman winner.
6'0 230 with 4.4 something speed and scat back agility. Hands like a WR and an all around brutal/punishing runner. Teams are going to try to jump into the top 10 for a crack at the next AP.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 6:32 pm to SouthTiger504
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1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 1st
Just being realistic.
Well it's more realistic but I could see a couple guys slipping. I would love for these guys to all get drafted as high as possible and make as much as possible but all of this draft stuff ebbs and flows. Even talented players fall because of team needs or a slower than expected 40 time or even because of something unforeseen that is totally beyond their control. Look at la'el Collins. He truly deserved to be a first round pick. He is first round talent. It's nuts that he slid so far but it happened and I still think he's better than any lineman currently on the LSU roster relatively speaking.
This post was edited on 1/20/16 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 1/20/16 at 6:34 pm to Datbayoubengal
Ok. The next ap may be a stretch. Like I said he is gonna be a real good pro. But it still remains the fact that a team that needs a db they will not take s rb. He has the talent to be a top 5 pick but the nfl doesn't work that way anymore. Plus I kinda hope he goes in the mid 20's so he can be on at least a decent team. If he goes in the top 5 it will be to real shitty team. He will only be as good as the o-line he will be playing behind. As much as i hate them. Gourmet the would look great in a cowboy uniform.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 6:39 pm to Datbayoubengal
Dukke is just trying to teach you something.
Teams will take him early. He is rare. If they have a good back already, they will trade him and have a win win
Teams will take him early. He is rare. If they have a good back already, they will trade him and have a win win
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