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re: Cameron on 104.5 this morning
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:04 pm to atltiger6487
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:04 pm to atltiger6487
quote:No, we'll never know with absolute certainty. However, we have Lee's history against Alabama, and we have Lee's abysmal performance against Bama in the GOTC in 2011.quote:very dramatic - but we'll never know. He wasn't given a chance.
Lee may very well have been killed on the field with the play of the offensive line.
And so we let JJ drive our plane right into the ground, 21-0.
Coaches have to go with the percentages, and the percentages STRONGLY favored Jefferson. It's not really debatable.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:06 pm to SouthOfSouth
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I don't say that because I think it would be Miles or Cameron's fault,
They recruited both QBs...so yeah, it is their responsibility how they play.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:07 pm to Salviati
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Lee was a run-first QB.
OK... You just showed me you have a football IQ of about 12.....
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:13 pm to Lou Pai
quote:Lee was a run-first QB to the exact same extent that Jefferson was a run-first QB.quote:Stopped right here. Wow
Lee was a run-first QB.
Jefferson was an infinitely better runner than Lee. Jefferson holds the LSU QB career rushing record, and Lee had -181 yards rushing.
Jefferson could execute options and zone reads infinitely better than Lee.
Nevertheless, they were both run-first QBs to the same extent.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:15 pm to Salviati
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As bad as YOU think Jefferson was in the BCSCG, he completed almost 65% of his passes in that game
Whoopee...for how may yards though. His pass completions dd not come at critical junctures of the game nor did they extend drives in a meaningful way.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:17 pm to lsuguru
and their are fans out there that still make the argument that this idiot is worth what he's being paid....wake up folks it aint just Miles its this idiot
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:22 pm to RedTigerRulz
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for how may yards though
Jefferson's 18 yards passing, five yards rushing and one fumble was really impressive at the end of the first quarter ... Or maybe it was his total first-half production of 26 yards passing and 10 yards rushing ...
But coaches go with 'the percentages' ...
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:26 pm to dukke v
quote::sigh:quote:OK... You just showed me you have a football IQ of about 12.....
Lee was a run-first QB.
It's a complete myth that Jefferson was the running QB and Lee was the passing QB. Complete and total myth.
Every year except one, Jefferson had better passing numbers than Lee: Comp%, YPA, and QB Rating. Numbers that are independent of pass attempts or games played.
For their careers, Jefferson had better passing numbers than Lee: Comp%, YPA, and QB Rating. Numbers that are independent of pass attempts or games played.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:30 pm to RedTigerRulz
quote:It's not Jefferson's fault that the o-line could not run block or pass block, or not commit penalties.quote:Whoopee...for how may yards though. His pass completions dd not come at critical junctures of the game nor did they extend drives in a meaningful way.
As bad as YOU think Jefferson was in the BCSCG, he completed almost 65% of his passes in that game
Jefferson is NOT the reason why LSU lost the BCSCG.
1. LSU did not run well against top five defenses. In the first half of the SECCG, LSUs' RBs gained 21 yards on 9 attempts. That's 2.3 YPC. On one possession, Jefferson completed a 9 yard pass on first down. LSU's RBs ran the ball twice and could not get the first down. The first half of the SECCG sucked for the entire LSU offense. During the BCSCG, LSU's RBs gained 24 yards for the whole game.
The problem with the BCSCG and the first half of the SECCG is that LSU's offense did not work against those defenses. The problem was the offensive line. For the BCSCG, the O-line couldn’t move the Bama D-line, and they couldn’t hold them back either. There was no run game, and there was no time to pass.
In nearly every series of the BCSCG, the offense line failed to execute on at least one play. Bama had the best defense in college football. It would have been difficult to beat Bama unless they made a costly mistake or the offense executed at a very high level.
2. The GOTC loss motivated Bama to better prepare for and play the NC game. Bama was playing for redemption. Bama was very well-prepared for the game. The Bama defense was fully prepared to shut down the option. The Bama defense was fully prepared to shut down LSU's deep threat.
3. Bama lost the GOTC with their prior offensive strategy, so they were forced to abandon it. Bama took greater risks to win the BCCG. The Bama offense went in a completely different direction than it had all season. Bama relied on McCarron and passing rather than Richardson and rushing to move the ball. Saban took the ball out of Richardson’s hands and made McCarron win the game. Bama threw on nearly every first down. It was a risky strategy, but what did Bama have to lose? They had already lost to LSU trying to run the ball. McCarron had a terrific night; thus, the strategy worked.
4. Even though Bama had flipped its offensive strategy, it does not necessarily mean that LSU should have inserted Lee at any point in the NC game. Hindsight is always 20/20, and we know now that LSU’s plan did not work. However, LSU trailed Arkansas 14-0 in the second quarter. The offense came around in the second quarter, and LSU blew out Arkansas. LSU trailed Georgia 10-0 at the half in the SECCG. The offense was atrocious the first half but came around in the second half, and LSU blew out Georgia. With a few dozen plays left, it was not unreasonable for Miles to go with the strategy that worked so well in the two previous games. It was at least as reasonable as trying a QB that was the antithesis of the ideal QB to use against Bama.
5. Jefferson was the right choice for the entire game. Lee would have been ineffective. Jefferson in the pocket slowed down the Bama rush because Bama used a mush rush to contain Jefferson and prevent him from running. It’s the same idea LSU used against Manziel to keep him from breaking off long runs. Slow the rush and contain the QB. Bama would not have used a mush rush against Lee because Lee is no threat to run.
So if Miles put in Lee, there’s still no run game, and now there is even less time to pass. If there is one thing Bama feasted on, it was immobile pocket passers. Lee’s historic numbers against Bama confirm this fact. His QB Rating against Bama could fit in a shoe box.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:32 pm to Salviati
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Coaches have to go with the percentages, and the percentages STRONGLY favored Jefferson. It's not really debatable.
I won't disagree with this.. But yet Miles was NOT smart enough to think that Saban knew what was coming and Miles didn't make ANY adjustments to counter this... THIS is not debatable...So that shows me that JJ wasn't smart enough to do anything different than he already knew.. Plus the idea that he went out and partied most of the night before just pisses me off.... True team leaders would not have done this.... plus AGAIN... There is much more to being a decent/good QB than just stats..............
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:37 pm to dukke v
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. . . this chart of LSU QBs under Miles . . .
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In 2011, every QB in the SEC was a run-first QB.
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AGAIN YOU will not address that it took till game 12 for them to try anything different..
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Blake Sims was a 1st year starter
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Blake Sims, yes, was a senior, but he'd never taken a meaningful snap at QB before last year
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Nick Marshall played well as a Jr and Sr at Auburn. Prior to his junior year, he'd never taken a D-I snap at QB and was in his first year under Gus's system.
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Even Bo Wallace, who started 3 years at Ole Miss, had nearly identical stats each of his 3 years there. So his sophomore year at Ole Miss he played very well, with zero D-I snaps under his belt.
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Do I need to mention Manziel, Winston, and Cam Newton? Yes, I'm picking Heisman winners,
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They recruited both QBs...so yeah, it is their responsibility how they play.
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It's a complete myth that Jefferson was the running QB and Lee was the passing QB. Complete and total myth.
So much stupid in the last two pages…
See y’all in September
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:39 pm to BCS Statmaster
quote:You want to talk about the end of the first quarter?quote:Jefferson's 18 yards passing, five yards rushing and one fumble was really impressive at the end of the first quarter ... Or maybe it was his total first-half production of 26 yards passing and 10 yards rushing ...
for how may yards though
But coaches go with 'the percentages' ...
Jefferson completed every pass attempt in the first quarter. At the end of the first quarter Jefferson had a 137.80 QB Rating. Lee had NEVER had that high of a QB Rating against Alabama. NEVER.
quote:Yes, they do.
But coaches go with 'the percentages' ...
Lee's career Comp% against Bama was 41.38%. In his career against Bama, Lee completed 1 TD and 7 INTs. But let's not look past 2011 to see how well Lee played against Bama. In 2011, his QB Rating was 14.51. Yes, 14.51. Five times less than Jefferson's QB Rating in the BCSCG. Lee's Comp% was 42.86%. His INT% was 28.57%, almost as high as his Comp%.
Yes, coaches go with percentages. The percentages were STRONGLY in favor of Jefferson.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:40 pm to Jonathan Ikon
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Coaches are judged on their team's performance, not on how informed they keep the fan base
Then how did they do last year in your opinion?
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:42 pm to BilJ
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The A&M game was probably about AJ's ceiling and that performance was 12/21 107 yds 1 TD 1 INT
Do you really believe this is his ceiling? That's a crazy opinion.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:45 pm to Choctaw
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RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
I agree with this guy.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:47 pm to dukke v
quote:One convert a day makes it all worthwhile.quote:I won't disagree with this..
Coaches have to go with the percentages, and the percentages STRONGLY favored Jefferson. It's not really debatable.
quote:You do NOT know this. As Miles said after the game, the down and distance caused the play calling to leave a LOT of plays uncalled. The o-line committed penalties that caused LSU to get behind in the down and distance. That is exactly what you do NOT want to do against Alabama.
But yet Miles was NOT smart enough to think that Saban knew what was coming and Miles didn't make ANY adjustments to counter this... THIS is not debatable.
The o-line could not run block or pass block. That does not leave much to call. Long pass plays were nearly impossible because the o-line gave NO time to pass.
quote:Come on, man. Jefferson could execute options, zone reads, reverses, screen passes, and he had a big arm. Please don't come with this weak "wasn't smart enough" crap. Miles and more than one player has said that they practiced plays that they simply were not able to call.
So that shows me that JJ wasn't smart enough to do anything different than he already knew..
quote:Link to Jefferson partying before the BCSCG? I've seen the rumors. I've also seen the rumors about T-Bob and Lee causing a ruckus before the BCSCG.
Plus the idea that he went out and partied most of the night before just pisses me off.... True team leaders would not have done this.... plus AGAIN... There is much more to being a decent/good QB than just stats..............
NONE of it has been credibly supported by facts.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:51 pm to chilge1
quote:Yeah, sorry about that.
In 2011, every QB in the SEC was a run-first QB.
I fixed it.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:52 pm to Salviati
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Jefferson completed every pass attempt in the first quarter.
So you are impressed with 18 yards passing, five yards rushing and one fumble
stay the course
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:55 pm to atltiger6487
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very dramatic - but we'll never know. He wasn't given a chance.
And so we let JJ drive our plane right into the ground, 21-0.
Playing Lee in that game would have been a hail mary type of change...it might have worked (1%) but all signs pointed to a disaster.
Having said that, at some point he should have gone to Lee.
But, you don't know what you are talking about if you look at that game and say that the game was lost on the decision to start Jefferson over Lee.
This post was edited on 8/4/15 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 8/4/15 at 3:56 pm to Salviati
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the percentages STRONGLY favored Jefferson
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It's not really debatable.
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