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re: Burrow & SEC QBs drop rate vs NFL's - CFB Film Room Debunked

Posted on 1/15/19 at 7:18 pm to
Posted by oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2006
26411 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 7:18 pm to
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Buckeye Jeaux is to Joe Burrow what Tiger Ree is to Ed Orgeron


There has not been a more true statement uttered on this board. 99% of the board loves Burrow too though, and knows he is a good QB, so Buckeye rallies a bit more support. He is equally as biased, and a full out propaganda pusher as well though.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
10361 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 7:23 pm to
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I told that jackass weeks ago that I was done dealing with him. And I am.


You mean you decided weeks ago to let the whole board know how much of a bitch you are by refusing to defend guarantees you made mutltiple times on these message boards throughout the season. And you are.

All year you have told this board that 1. joe burrow is a better quarterback than Dwayne haskins and 2. Joe burrow is a top 5 quarterback in college football. You've said repeatedly that everyone would see both of these things to be true by the end of year.

It’s now the end of the year. State your case for each of those things being true.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 7:42 pm to
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There has not been a more true statement uttered on this board. 99% of the board loves Burrow too though, and knows he is a good QB, so Buckeye rallies a bit more support. He is equally as biased, and a full out propaganda pusher as well though.

Yes. Flattered on the Ree comparison.

If Haskins had transferred to LSU (could have happened if Day had taken the Titan's OC offer - Haskins was Day's pro-style pick, Burrow was Meyer's dual-threat pick). Anyway, all you guys would be drooling over Burrow's stats throwing to those monster WR's at Ohio State. And you'd be bitching about Haskin's "accuracy" as he threw to these young and inexperienced WRs at LSU. TITTB
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 7:43 pm
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 7:49 pm to
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wait, I was told by the Negas that players were not to be attacked and all the issues were scheme related. Why they turning on Burrow?


You oughta know by now that doesn't apply to negas.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
10361 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 7:50 pm to
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If Haskins had transferred to LSU (could have happened if Day had taken the Titan's OC offer - Haskins was Day's pro-style pick, Burrow was Meyer's dual-threat pick)


no it couldnt have. meyer chose haskins over burrow last season when haskins remained the #2 qb even after burrow returned from injury and played the entire game against michigan. youre wrong again. youre lying again.

All year you have told this board that 1. joe burrow is a better quarterback than Dwayne haskins and 2. Joe burrow is a top 5 quarterback in college football. You've said repeatedly that everyone would see both of these things to be true by the end of year.

It’s now the end of the year. State your case for each of those things being true.
Posted by RightWingTiger
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2003
5859 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 8:25 pm to
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The only one that matters is W/L.

You realize a CFB team could win games w/o throwing a single pass? So using your logic if Ga Tech goes undefeated running Paul Johnson's flexbone offense then their QB TaQuon Marshall would have to be considered great even though he attempts less than 9 passes per game and has a 44% comp average.

Give the man his Heisman now!!
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
29648 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 8:54 pm to
WRONG
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 8:56 pm to
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You realize a CFB team could win games w/o throwing a single pass? So using your logic if Ga Tech goes undefeated running Paul Johnson's flexbone offense then their QB TaQuon Marshall would have to be considered great even though he attempts less than 9 passes per game and has a 44% comp average.


Yes. If Tech could pull off a Natty, then they'd have had one hell of a field general at QB. And I'm one of those guys who could not care less about that Heisman trophy. Give that trophy to the program's media director. It's all about the hype.
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 8:57 pm
Posted by LSU Groupee
Member since Oct 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 9:29 pm to
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Orgeron sucks! Feel better?




You are such a child.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:00 pm to
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Thanks to Alleva and his stupid search, we are stuck right now



Alleva and his stupid search has LSU at #5 with a top 5 recruiting class for 2019 and an epic class for 2020. Only a mental midget would still be considering firing O
Posted by justustm2
Member since Sep 2005
4158 posts
Posted on 1/16/19 at 9:21 am to
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You're dreaming. We looked into CFB at OSU. Best estimate was that they use 50+ volunteers to cover the 160+ games in one conference.

You seriously believe 50 amateurs grade a "drop" in a uniform way - regardless of what "instructions" CFB posts for their "advanced analysts"? CFB can't even keep the main page on their website up to date.

Gullible much?


So whatever way you think they measure drops, you obviously feel their measurement hurts Burrow's numbers. In your mind, the fact they are amateurs makes them less capable? Obviously you are simply guessing, since you have no knowledge of their analytic methods. You simply don't like the results and thus must create doubt about their methods.

I guarantee if the results showed that LSU and Burrow had more drops than anyone in college football, you would have no problem with their methods. And you would be citing those results in your efforts to canonize Burrow.

You also cast doubts on Urban Meyers' and his his OCs methods because he chose J.T. Barrett and Dwayne Haskins as his starting QB over Burrow. That despite the record breaking performances of Barrett and Haskins. It seems you doubt the validity of any analysis that does not support your mantra that Joe Burrow is a top 5 QB in the nation and better than the QBs Urban Meyer and his OCs chose to be starters at OSU. So your devaluing of the CFB Film Room analysis is simply you being you.

If I were "Gullible much?", I would have accepted your shtick on Burrow's greatness hook, line and sinker. The fact of the matter is I wish he was even half as great as you have claimed. But not being gullible much, I have the ability to analyze and determine Burrow's greatness based on empirical evidence versus your anecdotal evidence.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296928 posts
Posted on 1/16/19 at 9:26 am to
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You are such a child.



I'm not the one crying about "being stuck" while ranked in the top ten. I'll bet you're "with her" too.
Posted by justustm2
Member since Sep 2005
4158 posts
Posted on 1/16/19 at 9:28 am to
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Yes. Flattered on the Ree comparison.

If Haskins had transferred to LSU (could have happened if Day had taken the Titan's OC offer - Haskins was Day's pro-style pick, Burrow was Meyer's dual-threat pick). Anyway, all you guys would be drooling over Burrow's stats throwing to those monster WR's at Ohio State. And you'd be bitching about Haskin's "accuracy" as he threw to these young and inexperienced WRs at LSU. TITTB


You truly need professional help. You are delusional. Did you move to Baton Rouge when Burrow chose LSU? Hopefully you don't stalk him. You even create your username in honor of him. I bet if Burrow read this board he would go every time he saw the name Buckeye Jeaux.
This post was edited on 1/16/19 at 9:33 am
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 1/16/19 at 9:32 am to

Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 1/16/19 at 9:49 am to
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You are such a child.


I'm not the one crying about "being stuck" while ranked in the top ten. I'll bet you're "with her" too



How can somebody be so out of it that they actually have themselves believing that LSU is doing badly. Badly enough that they should be considering firing the coach.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296928 posts
Posted on 1/16/19 at 10:23 am to
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How can somebody be so out of it that they actually have themselves believing that LSU is doing badly. Badly enough that they should be considering firing the coach.


Groupee has been depressed since Miles left. I'm pretty sure his user name reflects his relationship to our former coach.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 1/16/19 at 11:24 am to
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How can somebody be so out of it that they actually have themselves believing that LSU is doing badly. Badly enough that they should be considering firing the coach.


Groupee has been depressed since Miles left. I'm pretty sure his user name reflects his relationship to our former coach



Then they have the nerve to point the finger at someone else. It's unbelievable.
Posted by LSU Groupee
Member since Oct 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 1/16/19 at 11:51 am to
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Alleva and his stupid search


LSU is ten and three, five and three. LSU was nine and three, five and three the year before he started the search. LSU has a top five recruiting class. LSU had a top five recruiting class the year before he started the search. LSU had a mediocre offense this year. LSU had a mediocre offense before his search. The LSU defense was good this year. Before the search it was better. It was a poorly handled search as defined by expected results three years later.


quote:

Only a mental midget would still be considering firing O


The only people I see talking firing is you and your little brother Roger. Are you two on the O payroll?

I guess there is talk of letting E go, but shite man who is happy with the LSU offense.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 1/16/19 at 11:59 am to
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I guess there is talk of letting E go, but shite man who is happy with the LSU offense


Nobody is happy about it but it takes a preschooler's mentality to look at the multitude of problems facing the offense and think that it can all be fixed with waving the magic fire E wand or fire O wand and things will automatically get better. The only thing that will do is prepare a recipe for getting worse. The offense has been in upheaval for a long time. Things have turned around though. It's going in the right direction and talent is coming in.
This post was edited on 1/16/19 at 12:02 pm
Posted by klrstix
Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
3506 posts
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:07 pm to
quote:

he had a whole lot of work to do to get better.



I agree

quote:

He got better. Everyone likes him. He is a great leader



agree

quote:

Burriw was terribly inaccurate for a large part of the season. You don’t throw for less than 50 percent if you are accurate and timely


Disagree... There is more to this Stat than the number... as follows..

So the question to sort out the stat is to determine the following:

Of the incomplete passes he threw, how many account for the total number...

Bad Throws
Bad route running by receiver
QB threw the ball away to avoid sack
Receiver failed to catch a catchable ball

These (and other nuances) tell you more about your incomplete stats than the raw number...


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