re: Breakdown of Production By QB

Look, here's the problem and it's generally the problem with most people everywhere.

People jump to conclusions.

I present data. I say one positive thing about Jefferson and everyone is accusing me of being a JJ lover and Lee hater.

In turn, I get defensive and then it turns to insults and gets all vitriolic and now I'm in a position of defending JJ completely though that is completely off the track of the entire thread. Then more people jump in midthread and see me say anything positive about JJ and commence to calling me an idiot and whatever.

JJ had 4 games as the starter (what he did in 2009 is generally irrelevant just as what Lee did in 2008 is generally irrelevant - those were different teams) to prove himself. He failed to distinguish himself in those games, though he had moments of nice play.

Lee comes in and the offense sees an automatic uptick. Lee's play deserves to be commended. Lee deserves to get more reps. Lee "looks" better. Lee "looks" like a leader. Etc. etc. I agree with all of that.

But, because of JJ's average to poor play in the first four games, he's routinely shite on by a fanbase in lieu of another guy stepping in and playing pretty well. It's to the point where anybody who says anything good about JJ is labeled an "idiot", "stupid" or "blind" yatta yatta yatta.

You can re-read everything I've said in this thread. I haven't touted JJ as being anything special. I've said Lee should be the man numerous times and deserves it and I hope he gets more reps.

Just because I say positive about JJ doesn't mean I feel negative about Lee. The fact that people race to that conclusion is dumb.

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so, NOW what you're saying is that even though the offense functioned better with JJ, the offense looked better with Lee?

Can you not see how this is confusing?

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I guess?

I never said it looked better with JJ though. If I did, I shouldn't have.

When Lee is in the game, the offense seems to run a bit more seamlessly (he doesn't have to double check his play band before taking the snap) and the passing game is ratcheted up by about a thousand decibels. It just LOOKS better.

For the TENNESSEE game ALONE, the offense was more productive while JJ was QB (more yards, more yard per play etc.).

Initially, I found it interesting that we ran the ball better with JJ in the game against Tennessee and thought it may have had something to do with JJ being in there though it was an admittedly small sample size.

This week everything about the offense was better with Lee, which is why I said he should be the man at the bottom of the OP and several times throughout.

BUT, I still think JJ gives this offense something. I don't think he's just a waste of a series as people say. I don't think he did "nothing" against Florida. He moved the ball fairly well (but not as well as Lee).

I'm still of the position we need both guys, but with each improving Lee performance he deserves to get more and more snaps and JJ deserves fewer and fewer.

I hate getting into pissing contests and jumping to insults. Typically I do a better job of holding my tongue, so apologies to all I insulted.

I thought I had presented my initial post more clearly, but through jdrum's posts I realize I probably didn't.

Next week, I'll try to do better.

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Florida pretty much shut Ridley down in the 2nd half. mostly when Lee was in the game

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Just a guess, but if you look at the playcalling int he second half versus the second half, this might help you understand why Ridley was held down in the second half.

Yeah, I very much agree with this. That's why I think we will continue to see the 2 QB system.

Especially since neither guy seems negatively affected by it. They both seem positively affected by it, actually.

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Didn't really see a significant difference in SR production in the second half when both QBs were in.

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Ridley was worn out that game. I haven't seen him that tired all season. More importantly, we need a second RB to step up to help out Ridley.

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Live2CTigersWin

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Just point to me where I said anything differently than you did.

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I keep seeing people saying "4 Lee drives 4 TDs. It's so obvious!"

That's stupid, for a number of reasons.

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I disagree on this; JJ can't lead us downfield for TDs. He just takes advantage from JLee.

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I haven't taken the time to read through this entire thread, but I will put my 2 cents in here- continuing to play Jefferson means the next opponent has to prepare for his style of play, AS WELL AS Lee's. Those styles are very different in how to defend. You have 1 week to prepare a game plan, and as of right now LSU's opponents have to prepare to face both a running QB for entire drives (not just in the redzone), and a pro-style passing QB. That makes less total preparation for either style, and gives both our QBs the advantage of facing less prepared defenses.

For Lee, that gives him the advantage of facing defensive linemen who've had to cover the run even when the QB has kept the ball; more tired and at least a chance they're thinking about containment instead of all-out rushing.

For Jefferson that's having the threat of hot recievers getting the ball (say Toliver is approaching 100 yds, even if it's all from Lee. If JJ goes in and Toliver is out wide, you still have to respect Toliver). To put it simply, JJ has hit Toliver before, and had drops, probably because there was no consistency and rhythm. Once Lee gets TT or Randle into a rhythm, the other team STILL has to treat them as true threats if JJ is in, because if you crowd the line and he DOES hit them it's likely a TD. This means less 8 in the box, and more room to run.

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This + 1000 and this is why both will continue to play and JJ will play more...because Miles is run oriented....this and nothing else. If he was more pass oriented, JL would have the majority of snaps, but both still would play. They have stumbled upon something and with the mental mindstate of both QB's, it's actually perfect. I personally don't think either can shoulder the load alone.