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re: Bracketology: LSU first 4 out (bubble talk)
Posted on 3/3/16 at 10:53 am to Choupique19
Posted on 3/3/16 at 10:53 am to Choupique19
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So asking LSU to do something (win 13 conference games) that they have done once in the last 9 years, and twice in the last 24 years isn't asking more than just beat mediocre teams in November and December?
I think the overall point is that, by the consensus going into the Bama game, that LSU had overcome the bad early set and was considered to be in the tournament.
Then we went ahead and lost to 2 of the worst teams in the conference and dropped the Bama game.
LSU would be in if they beat who they were supposed to early on and late in the season. But those 3 games are more heavily weighted for LSU. We have a lot of bad losses
This post was edited on 3/3/16 at 10:55 am
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Posted on 3/3/16 at 10:54 am to drizztiger
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So what we're saying combined is that LSU left themselves no wiggle room by tanking Nov/Dec, then when they climbed back into it and were positioning themselves for an NCAAT bid, they tanked again and lost 3 winnable SEC games in a row. I think this is truth.
I agree with this.
LSU was safely inside the bubble and working towards a decent tournament seeding until that three game stretch a week and a half ago.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 10:56 am to TigerBait1127
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I think the overall point is that, by the consensus going into the Bama game, that LSU had overcome the bad early set and was considered to be in the tournament.
Then we went ahead and lost to 2 of the worst teams in the conference and dropped the Bama game.
LSU would be in if they beat who they were supposed to early on and late in the season. But those 3 games are more heavily weighted for LSU. We have a lot of bad losses
As I just posted above, I agree.
But LSU put themselves in a great spot by being nearly flawless through 12 SEC games.
This post was edited on 3/3/16 at 10:57 am
Posted on 3/3/16 at 10:57 am to TigerBait1127
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I think the overall point is that, by the consensus going into the Bama game, that LSU had overcome the bad early set and was considered to be in the tournament.
Then we went ahead and lost to 2 of the worst teams in the conference and dropped the Bama game.
Yep. Before the Bama game at home, we were in the field at that point and needed to go 2-1 over the next 3 to keep it that way, very doable. Instead, we went 0-3, so here we are.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 10:58 am to pellietigersaint
He is terrible. I posted the other day about Lunardi's list and couldn't believe that both Alabama and Florida were ahead of us. I still think we need to beat Kentucky, but I don't think we need to reach the semis of the SEC tourney to get in.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 11:00 am to Choupique19
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But LSU put themselves in a great spot by being nearly flawless through 12 SEC games.
No doubt. We were playing great basketball and who knows what happened during that stretch.
But, also at that point, 13-5 in SEC play should have been obtainable.
I don't think anyone, contrary of bnfiiiiiii's idiotic belief, thinks that the early season was meaningless or didn't count. If that was true, LSU would have been playing for a 4 seed going into Bama
Posted on 3/3/16 at 11:01 am to wesman21
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He is terrible. I posted the other day about Lunardi's list and couldn't believe that both Alabama and Florida were ahead of us. I still think we need to beat Kentucky, but I don't think we need to reach the semis of the SEC tourney to get in.
Bama and UF were easily ahead of us just 1 week ago. Bama's loss last night opens a spot
We are very, very, very lucky the field sucks so bad this year
This post was edited on 3/3/16 at 11:02 am
Posted on 3/3/16 at 11:04 am to TigerBait1127
I don't think people realize how much a win AT UK would move us up. Don't get me wrong, we can't go one and done in the tourney but a win Saturday would be enormous.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 11:08 am to purplengold1
Win Saturday and 1 in the tourney and I think we're in IF automatic small conference bids go to the teams that are in either way.
Need the other bubble teams to keep crapping the bed to truly be comfortable.
I expect LSU to blow the lead late, possibly by missing 8 FTS in the last 2 minutes
Need the other bubble teams to keep crapping the bed to truly be comfortable.
I expect LSU to blow the lead late, possibly by missing 8 FTS in the last 2 minutes
This post was edited on 3/3/16 at 11:09 am
Posted on 3/3/16 at 11:09 am to TigerBait1127
I am not saying LSU has a great chance of winning the SEC outright, but if we beat UK, and Vandy beats TAMU, and finally SC loses one of its last 2 games which are both SEC, we would be tied with Vandy record wise in the SEC.
However, I do have a question if all that were to happen, big if, but wouldn't LSU win the SEC outright getting an automatic bid because we beat Vandy and we would win the tie breaker??
The winner of the SEC regular season and the SEC tournament winner both get auto bids to the NCAA Tourney, correct??
However, I do have a question if all that were to happen, big if, but wouldn't LSU win the SEC outright getting an automatic bid because we beat Vandy and we would win the tie breaker??
The winner of the SEC regular season and the SEC tournament winner both get auto bids to the NCAA Tourney, correct??
Posted on 3/3/16 at 11:11 am to djkevlar
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The winner of the SEC regular season and the SEC tournament winner both get auto bids to the NCAA Tourney, correct??
No, only the SEC tournament winner gets an automatic bid. The SEC regular season champion does get an auto bid to the NIT, but that's not really what we're looking for.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 11:15 am to CheerWhine
Yeah and sorry I just realized that even if TAMU losses to Vandy it would be a 3 way tie not a 2 way tie.
LSU, TAMU, and Vandy would all be 12-6 in SEC play. It would be tough to figure this out since LSU beat Vandy, and split games against TAMU, and then Vandy would have to beat TAMU, so it would be interesting at least.
LSU, TAMU, and Vandy would all be 12-6 in SEC play. It would be tough to figure this out since LSU beat Vandy, and split games against TAMU, and then Vandy would have to beat TAMU, so it would be interesting at least.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 11:16 am to LSUButt
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RPI is the worst system in the history of college sports. It makes the BCS look like geniuses founded it. LSU was stupid to schedule at Charleston and at Houston because if you lose (which we did), we gain nothing. However, if we schedule at Michigan state and at Miami (which UF did) and lose, we jump 20 points in rpi. Ridiculous
I agree with you that losing to a good team should not count as a plus.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 11:29 am to djkevlar
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However, I do have a question if all that were to happen, big if, but wouldn't LSU win the SEC outright getting an automatic bid because we beat Vandy and we would win the tie breaker??
There is no automatic bid for regular season championships, although that would be the logical way to do it (less ratings though)
Posted on 3/3/16 at 11:31 am to djkevlar
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Yeah and sorry I just realized that even if TAMU losses to Vandy it would be a 3 way tie not a 2 way tie.
It would be a 4 way tie.
Aggies
UK
Vandy
LSU
The tiebreaker for the 1 seed would be based on record against those 4
Posted on 3/3/16 at 11:33 am to TigerBait1127
Each conference can decide for themselves how they want to give out their auto bid, so any conference could get rid of their tournament and just give it to the regular season champ. The Ivy League is the only one that does it that way, though.
Posted on 3/3/16 at 11:35 am to TigerBait1127
quote:Which would be LSU since they would have a combined 4-1 record against those teams.
The tiebreaker for the 1 seed would be based on record against those 4
Posted on 3/3/16 at 11:36 am to djkevlar
LINK
According to SEC tiebreakers, if this was to happen and LSU, A&M, UK, Vandy all finished with a 12-6 record. Then it would go to head-to-head among all involved teams.
Head-to-Head Records (including SC loss, Vandy/LSU wins):
1. LSU 12-6 (H2H 4-1)
2. Vandy 12-6 (H2H 3-2)
3. A&M 12-6 (H2H 2-2)
3. UK 12-6 (H2H 1-4)
According to SEC tiebreakers, if this was to happen and LSU, A&M, UK, Vandy all finished with a 12-6 record. Then it would go to head-to-head among all involved teams.
Head-to-Head Records (including SC loss, Vandy/LSU wins):
1. LSU 12-6 (H2H 4-1)
2. Vandy 12-6 (H2H 3-2)
3. A&M 12-6 (H2H 2-2)
3. UK 12-6 (H2H 1-4)
Posted on 3/3/16 at 11:37 am to drizztiger
Yep
It would be:
LSU
Vandy
Aggies
UK
So it may not be in LSUs best interest to get the 1 SECT wise, but I still want it
It would be:
LSU
Vandy
Aggies
UK
So it may not be in LSUs best interest to get the 1 SECT wise, but I still want it
Posted on 3/3/16 at 11:48 am to purplengold1
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I don't think people realize how much a win AT UK would move us up. Don't get me wrong, we can't go one and done in the tourney but a win Saturday would be enormous.
I think it will be a big help, but this isn't a top 5 Kentucky team. Kentucky is just hanging on to a top 25 ranking.
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