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re: Black coaches in college football?
Posted on 11/29/08 at 4:26 pm to GeauxChrisSports
Posted on 11/29/08 at 4:26 pm to GeauxChrisSports
some schools may need to revise their hiring practices
but how many athletes actually major in coaching, not to mention graduate with an above average gpa 3.0.
some positions even require a masters degree or some require that you become a graduate assistant first before becoming an assistant first.
then again it also depends on booster clubs and other outside organizations that do have an influence.
but how many athletes actually major in coaching, not to mention graduate with an above average gpa 3.0.
some positions even require a masters degree or some require that you become a graduate assistant first before becoming an assistant first.
then again it also depends on booster clubs and other outside organizations that do have an influence.
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Posted on 11/29/08 at 4:26 pm to TigerTailsSoup
quote:I think he said that Charlie Strong is a better candidate; perhaps I heard Spencer wrong.
Tillman said Turner Gill is a better candidate than Lane Kiffin for Tennessee job.
I actually do think Strong is a better coach than Kiffin.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 4:27 pm to xiv
quote:
The argument here--the sensible one--is whether colleges/universities tend to be reluctant to hire a black coach. Some, yes; some, no.
Who cares though? Really? People just looking for something to bitch about. I mean, someone could say they are pissed about there not being enough white starters on LSU's team, or any team for that matter. All of that is a bunch of bullshite.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 4:27 pm to TigerTailsSoup
As of November 4, 2008, this country lost the "racism" claim. No one can ever complain since a "man of color" is going to be one of the most powerful person in the world....
Posted on 11/29/08 at 4:27 pm to Pleasenewdc
quote:
We have a black president to be!
What the frick does that have to do with black college football coaches? Are you counting Obama as the head coach for Army and Navy or something?
Posted on 11/29/08 at 4:28 pm to sug314
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As of November 4, 2008, this country lost the "racism" claim.
damn that sucks
Posted on 11/29/08 at 4:37 pm to lsudiva2010
and then you fire him after 1 bad season and the alumni have to pay his salary while he lives in a condo in destin.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 4:39 pm to Pleasenewdc
Boys-
I think the point you all seemed to miss is the "process". In the NFL, the Rooney Rule exists just to get black coaches the opportunity to interview and go through the process of getting jobs. This does not mean you need to hire the minority, but you must interview an Arican-American candidate.
In colleges, there are no rules in place for this process.
To make the arguement in reverse, statistics will tell you that there are more coaches in the the NFL WITHOUT college degrees and there is NO WAY a college can hire a coach without a degree.
I would agree that there needs to be an adjusted process that each conference should implement, but with all of the "midnight meetings" this process will porbably never come to fruition.
I think it sucks that we keep hiring the same old network of coaches... IMHO!!
I think the point you all seemed to miss is the "process". In the NFL, the Rooney Rule exists just to get black coaches the opportunity to interview and go through the process of getting jobs. This does not mean you need to hire the minority, but you must interview an Arican-American candidate.
In colleges, there are no rules in place for this process.
To make the arguement in reverse, statistics will tell you that there are more coaches in the the NFL WITHOUT college degrees and there is NO WAY a college can hire a coach without a degree.
I would agree that there needs to be an adjusted process that each conference should implement, but with all of the "midnight meetings" this process will porbably never come to fruition.
I think it sucks that we keep hiring the same old network of coaches... IMHO!!
Posted on 11/29/08 at 4:42 pm to Cornholio
quote:Since the 1960's, there haven't been any serious claims of racism on the playing field. For decades, players play based on their talent and qualifications alone, and not skin color (the quarterback position has occasionally been the point of controversy, but nobody is getting benched for being black anymore, really).
Who cares though? Really? People just looking for something to bitch about. I mean, someone could say they are pissed about there not being enough white starters on LSU's team, or any team for that matter. All of that is a bunch of bullshite.
Some would argue that a few black guys were less-than-seriously considered for coaching jobs because they were black. Croom/Shula comes to mind; Croom appeared to be better qualified and with more potential than Shula (turns out they're about the same).
It's an argument, and it's a plausible one. I think it holds a bit of water, and that alone makes it an issue worth (at least) discussing. No harm there.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 4:45 pm to Pleasenewdc
How many white guys (non-European) are in the NBA? Let's hear a show on that!
Posted on 11/29/08 at 4:46 pm to Pleasenewdc
Yeah, the most important thing in CFB and politics today isn't leadership, experience, or ability, but SKIN COLOR. Haven't you heard? We're all about quotas today.
WHO CARES what a coach's skin color is, or even a president's? How bout we touch on their experience, ability, and leadership rather than their skin pigmintation?
Amazing we aren't talking about the number of latin coaches since they now make up the largest minority in America today. But then I don't really think this has much at all to do with fairness. Never has.
WHO CARES what a coach's skin color is, or even a president's? How bout we touch on their experience, ability, and leadership rather than their skin pigmintation?
Amazing we aren't talking about the number of latin coaches since they now make up the largest minority in America today. But then I don't really think this has much at all to do with fairness. Never has.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 4:48 pm to Pleasenewdc
I'm white and 58. While racial prejudice is less overt and truly less than 40 years ago, anyone of any race who says its no longer an issue is naive.
If the racial makeup of the country is 80-20 white/black and the makeup of Div. 1A college athletes is ?70/30 black/white, why, except for racial prejudice, would the ratio of Div 1 coaches be 100/2 white/black?
How many AD's are black? How many University Presdident's are black? It all flows down from the administration and the alumni pressure. Sylvester Croom would have been in Mike Shula's position at UA if qualifications as a COACH had been the primary qualifier. But a significant minority of the state would have burned a cross to protest.
I'm not a big affirmative action advocate, but the statistics in this case are hard to dispute.
If the racial makeup of the country is 80-20 white/black and the makeup of Div. 1A college athletes is ?70/30 black/white, why, except for racial prejudice, would the ratio of Div 1 coaches be 100/2 white/black?
How many AD's are black? How many University Presdident's are black? It all flows down from the administration and the alumni pressure. Sylvester Croom would have been in Mike Shula's position at UA if qualifications as a COACH had been the primary qualifier. But a significant minority of the state would have burned a cross to protest.
I'm not a big affirmative action advocate, but the statistics in this case are hard to dispute.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 4:51 pm to xiv
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My thing is this. In 2008 the #1 priority is to win. I just dont see a program not hiring a black guy if he is a proven winner.
This claim is ridiculous. It's hard to prove one's ability if you aren't given the opportunities.
This is not a case of one coach being hired over another and thus the whole system is unfair. It's more a combination of factors:
1.) A longer history of whites coaching at I-A schools.
2.) More visibility for white coaches, and networks that help them move up in the ranks (though not necessarily at the expense of coaches of color).
3.) African-American players and former players not pursuing coaching as a career in numbers equal to whites.
4.) Certain programs (including probably LSU) being more comfortable with the idea of a white coach than not, at least in certain instances.
1.) and 2.) can go some of the way toward explaining 3.)--if you have not been coached by people who look like you, you may not see it as a possibility--but does not explain it entirely.
Nor does 4.)--I agree, most programs are more concerned about winning these days than what the coach looks like, but I think it's been a factor historically and still plays out in certain instances (Notre Dame and Alabama, for example).
I think it's entirely possible that some up-and-coming coaches of color will land major coaching jobs at top schools--Charlie Strong, Turner Gill, Tyrone Nix, and the Houston coach, for instance, have all proven that they are worth a shot, IMO. But then again, that type of thing has been said before yet has proven not to work out that way.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 4:52 pm to TigerTailsSoup
quote:I agree with this. Other than being somebody famous's son, and ineefectively butting heads with Al Davis, what has Lane Kiffin ever done?
Tillman said Turner Gill is a better candidate than Lane Kiffin for Tennessee job.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 4:54 pm to HusseinTiger
quote:OMG this had never occurred to me but it's true! If the President were to call the Navy sidelines and say, "run I formation, twin receivers right, sweep left," the coach would be Constitutionally bound to obey his order.
Are you counting Obama as the head coach for Army and Navy or something?
My mind is blown at the possible ramifications here.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 4:56 pm to Icansee4miles
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How many white guys (non-European) are in the NBA? Let's hear a show on that!
The NBA isn't denying any white guys the chance to play. Charlie Strong has been an overqualified assisitant for years now, and has seen the likes of Orgeron and now Kiffin get hired in the SEC.
Posted on 11/29/08 at 4:59 pm to saintsfan22
Quick, without the use of google, name 7 top notch black college coordinators right now that you think are a good fit and ready to take the reigns at a place like LSU?
Posted on 11/29/08 at 5:13 pm to Mike da Tigah
I don't think enough white guys get a fair shot in the NBA.
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