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re: BK's Tenure: Beat Bama, win the West, start year 2 at 0-1
Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:57 pm to White Tiger
Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:57 pm to White Tiger
quote:Does that go for BK only, or should every coach be on the hot seat and ready to be fired when they have the 1st down 4 game stretch of their coaching tenure?
What has he done lately? That is all that matters today. LSU has been A$$ its last 4 outside of playing a Purdue JV team.
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Posted on 9/5/23 at 1:57 pm to shel311
quote:This simply isn’t true
Big picture, Kelly has outperformed all of our expectations thus far,
One game better than expectations last year
One game worse so far this year
What does that equate to?
Posted on 9/5/23 at 2:00 pm to lsupride87
quote:When that 1 game better is Bama and winning the West, it's laughable that you choose to put ZERO stock into that.
This simply isn’t true
One game better than expectations last year
One game worse so far this year
What does that equate to?
You've already admitted as much, you said to win the West we had to beat Bama, and winning the West was "happenstance." It's just nonsense you're talking right now, if you're being honest with yourself.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 2:01 pm to shel311
I thought we would go 8-4
We went 9-3
Is that not one game better than expectations?
We went 9-3
Is that not one game better than expectations?
Posted on 9/5/23 at 2:03 pm to lsupride87
quote:You're saying that 1 game against FSU this season is the exact same on the opposite end as beating Bama and winning the West last season.
I thought we would go 8-4
We went 9-3
Is that not one game better than expectations?
It's nonsensical, but you know that.
If they meant all exactly the same, you'd say beating FSU Sunday night and losing to Bama last year would be the absolute exact same thing, right? But it's not, which is why you're off the mark here.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 2:05 pm to shel311
quote:Umm, yeh
You're saying that 1 game against FSU this season is the exact same on the opposite end as beating Bama and winning the West last season. It's nonsensical, but you know that.
Actually, the great bama win was also offset with the absolute shite of A&M already. Bama was one game. And it was great. But it’s one game.
Big picture, Kelly hasn’t been bad but he hasn’t been great.
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 9/5/23 at 2:06 pm to lsupride87
quote:8-4 last season with a loss to Bama and 1-0 this season aren't remotely the same accomplishment.
Umm, yeh
Actually, the great bama win was also offset with the absolute shite of A&M already. Bama was one game. And it was great. But it’s one game.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 2:07 pm to shel311
quote:I would much rather the 8-4 and 1-0 scenario actually. So sure, it’s not the same
8-4 last season with a loss to Bama and 1-0 this season aren't remotely the same accomplishment.
The lack of progress to be ready for week 1 in year 2 is concerning
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 9/5/23 at 2:08 pm to shel311
If we went undefeated and 6-6 in consecutive seasons, you're arguing that's exactly the same as back to back 3 loss seasons.
That's your logic, same amount of losses must mean the exact same type of season, which is just nonsensical.
That's your logic, same amount of losses must mean the exact same type of season, which is just nonsensical.
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 9/5/23 at 2:14 pm to shel311
When Orgeron went 15-0 then 5-5, yes, from a concern perspective of “is this guy a shite coach” was absolutely higher than if he went 10-2 and 10-3
Watching a second year coach show regression towards the end of year 1 and beginning of year 2 is concerning. You are the one being nonsensical and trying to make things far simpler than they are
Watching a second year coach show regression towards the end of year 1 and beginning of year 2 is concerning. You are the one being nonsensical and trying to make things far simpler than they are
Posted on 9/5/23 at 2:38 pm to shel311
I’ve posted this a few times, but last season so far exceeded expectations. That sped up the timeline in the eyes of fans and media, but didn’t necessarily speed up the actual program building timeline.
It was a double edged sword, the success in 2022. Now Kelly can’t run from that, the expectation has been set, fair or not. I’m confident we’re still building a championship program.
It was a double edged sword, the success in 2022. Now Kelly can’t run from that, the expectation has been set, fair or not. I’m confident we’re still building a championship program.
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 9/5/23 at 2:53 pm to lsupride87
quote:But would you say 15-0 and 5-5 is the exact same seasons as 10-2 & 10-3? No, no one trying to be any bit logical would say that.
When Orgeron went 15-0 then 5-5, yes, from a concern perspective of “is this guy a shite coach” was absolutely higher than if he went 10-2 and 10-3
quote:So, exactly what I've said about 7 times in this thread already
atching a second year coach show regression towards the end of year 1 and beginning of year 2 is concerning.
quote:This makes as much sense as you trying to argue that 15-0 and 5-5 is the same as 10-2 and 10-3, so there's that.
You are the one being nonsensical and trying to make things far simpler than they are
Posted on 9/5/23 at 2:55 pm to DBG
quote:That's a huge bingo. It was solid to beat Bama and win the West, but as we can see, it was always going to create unrealistic expectations. And I'm not talking about just beating or not beating FSU, but it's obvious with how unrealistic people are in judging his full tenure thus far.
I’ve posted this a few times, but last season so far exceeded expectations. That sped up the timeline in the eyes of fans and media, but didn’t necessarily speed up the actual program building timeline.
quote:You nailed it, both statements.
It was a double edged sword, the success in 2022. Now Kelly can’t run from that, the expectation has been set, fair or not. I’m confident we’re still building a championship program.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 3:04 pm to shel311
quote:10-2 and 10-3 would actually be less troublesome for a coach in terms of worrying about their future success
This makes as much sense as you trying to argue that 15-0 and 5-5 is the same as 10-2 and 10-3, so there's that.
To make it simpler for you
15-0, 5-5, 5-7 and a lot of coaches are fired
8-4, 9-3, 9-3 and they aren’t
BUT EXCEEDING EXPECTATIONS!!!!
Yes, we understand, he did slightly better year 1 than we expected. But he ended year 1 poorly, and has begun year 2 poorly. Concern is warranted, and no matter what you try and say, you clearly are very defensive about simply sharing the phrase that their is concern
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 9/5/23 at 3:10 pm to lsupride87
quote:Still arguing that a national championship and a 5 loss season is the same exact thing and accomplishment as a 2 and then 3 loss season, I see.
10-2 and 10-3 would actually be less troublesome for a coach in terms of worrying about their future success
quote:Or another way of putting that statement, exactly like Shel said. Got it, thanks for agreeing with me, you're finally correct.
But he ended year 1 poorly, and has begun year 2 poorly. Concern is warranted,
quote:Even though I've agreed with every single person saying they're concerned and even saying I have concerns too!!! Clown post, do better.
and no matter what you try and say, you clearly are very defensive about simply sharing the phrase that their is concern
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:17 am to shel311
Look at is as you will, friend. Plenty more losses to come this year. Wait and see.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:21 am to shel311
This board is the epitome of catastrophe syndrome
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