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re: BK is 0-3 all time vs Clemson.

Posted on 7/19/25 at 9:49 pm to
Posted by SouthernInsanity
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Posted on 7/19/25 at 9:49 pm to
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BK is 0-3 all time vs Clemson.
Posted by GrizzlyWintergreen 7/18/25 at 5:00 pm
Everytime he's met Dabo, he's lost.


How many times did this happen while BK was the HC @ LSU??
Posted by SOL2
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Posted on 7/20/25 at 6:42 am to
Our blue chip ratio indicates we should beat Clempson. We are high 60s, they are in the low 50s.
Posted by GentleJackJones
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Posted on 7/20/25 at 7:05 am to
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This is why he came to LSU. He didn’t beat bama at ND either, but he has at LSU.


He leaves and Notre Dame suddenly looks better than it’s been in a long time.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
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Posted on 7/20/25 at 3:01 pm to
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He leaves and Notre Dame suddenly looks better than it’s been in a long time.


How's that?
Posted by kajunman
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 7/20/25 at 3:15 pm to
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How's that?
By making the playoffs and playing for the natty. Meanwhile BK hasn't sniffed either at LSU.
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 7/20/25 at 3:21 pm to
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this is incorrect. He beat them in 2020.


Why is this thread still up?
Posted by LSUbacchus81
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Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 7/20/25 at 3:36 pm to
He can’t beat Dabs or win the a season opener lol
Posted by JimTiger72
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Posted on 7/20/25 at 3:48 pm to
He did beat Dabo in 2020 & he was 10-2 in openers at Notre Dame.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
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Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 7/20/25 at 3:51 pm to
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By making the playoffs and playing for the natty. Meanwhile BK hasn't sniffed either at LSU.


He made the playoff twice at Notre Dame and played for a natty there.

How do they suddenly look better than they have in awhile? They literally lost to a G5 last year.
Posted by kajunman
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 7/20/25 at 4:13 pm to
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They literally lost to a G5 last year.
And beat aggy, something BK didn't do. They also beat USC. Last time they were in a natty was 2012 until Freeman got them there. BK had three 8-5 seasons and one 4-8 season at Notre Dame.

Bk regressed last season with 4 losses. Notre Dame at 14-2 trumps anything BK has accomplished at LSU. 14-2 looks way better than 9-4.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
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Posted on 7/20/25 at 4:18 pm to
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Bk regressed last season with 4 losses. Notre Dame at 14-2 trumps anything BK has accomplished at LSU. 14-2 looks way better than 9-4.

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And beat aggy, something BK didn't do. They also beat USC.


The comment I was replying to was saying Notre Dame looked better now than they had awhile, basically comparing BK's Notre Dame to Freeman's.

Not Notre Dame to LSU.

I'm not arguing that 2024 Notre Dame wasn't better than than 2024 LSU, that's pretty clear.
Posted by kajunman
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 7/20/25 at 4:22 pm to
Are you a BK fan or are you in a wait and see mode ?
Posted by SidewalkTiger
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Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 7/20/25 at 4:28 pm to
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Are you a BK fan or are you in a wait and see mode ?


I think BK was probably the best hire available at the time.

I also think that he needs to at least make the playoff this season or it's going to be rough around Baton Rouge.

Outside of all that, I don't buy into this narrative that Notre Dame is somehow drastically "better" now.
Posted by kajunman
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 7/20/25 at 4:33 pm to
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I think BK was probably the best hire available at the time. Disagree here. I wanted a younger coach.

I also think that he needs to at least make the playoff this season or it's going to be rough around Baton Rouge. 100% agree here.

Outside of all that, I don't buy into this narrative that Notre Dame is somehow drastically "better" now.
We'll see at the end of the season if Dame is back in the playoffs.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 7/20/25 at 4:37 pm to
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Disagree here. I wanted a younger coach.


Who would you have hired?

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We'll see at the end of the season if Dame is back in the playoffs.


They would have made a 12 team CFP in 3 of BK's last 4 years there.

Why does making a 12 team playoff now mean they're "better"?
Posted by kajunman
Member since Dec 2015
8397 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 4:48 pm to
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Who would you have hired?


Lashlee, Lanning or Cristobal

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Why does making a 12 team playoff now mean they're "better"?


Dame had 1 loss going into the playoffs. If they repeat that, then yea that equals better.


Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
67073 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 4:59 pm to
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Lashlee, Lanning or Cristobal


I don't think we could have hired Cristobal. Also, he's .579 at Miami. Our fans are freaking out because BK is .725 at LSU.

Woodward would have been crucified for hiring a first time head coach in Lanning to rebuild the team. Even more so with Lashlee.

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Dame had 1 loss going into the playoffs. If they repeat that, then yea that equals better.



How so?

They were undefeated going into the postseason in 2 of BK's last 4 seasons there and only had 1 loss in another.

So 3 of BK's last 4 seasons there, they make a 12 team CFP with 1 loss or less.

Freeman inherited that program, was given more resources, and is just getting back to where BK left it.
Posted by kajunman
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 7/20/25 at 6:22 pm to
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Woodward would have been crucified for hiring a first time head coach in Lanning to rebuild the team. Even more so with Lashlee.
Agree. However, none of them would have gotten a 10 year contract. Hire a younger coach for less money and years, you have a quick out if they don't work out.

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How so?
Kelly is 0 fer in FBS playoff games. Freeman already has 2 playoff wins.
Posted by Geaux Guy
Member since Dec 2018
6607 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 6:28 pm to
Odds keep lining up in our favor.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
67073 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 8:25 pm to
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Agree. However, none of them would have gotten a 10 year contract. Hire a younger coach for less money and years, you have a quick out if they don't work out.



And then you end up like Auburn and Florida, constantly recycling coaches.

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Kelly is 0 fer in FBS playoff games. Freeman already has 2 playoff wins.


Sure, but Kelly faced 2020 Alabama and 2018 Clemson, no one else beat those teams either.

Freeman faced 2024 Indiana, Penn State, and Georgia. Those teams had a combined 5 losses between them, coming into the playoff.

Notre Dame also had more talent than either Penn State or Indiana. Meanwhile, Georgia had a first time starter at quarterback and even with their starter, that Georgia team already had 2 losses.

Credit to Freeman for winning those games but Kelly has never had that easy of a postseason matchup.

I don't understand this narrative that Freeman is suddenly better because he won some playoff games vs weaker competition while Kelly is bad because he lost to some all time elite CFB teams that no one else beat either.
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