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re: Beth Ball
Posted on 4/1/25 at 5:56 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
Posted on 4/1/25 at 5:56 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
Wow. Away a couple days and of course fireworks after the team loses. Lots of flawed logic and untrue statements but it I get it--losses reveal a lot. Everyone entitled to opinions, including me, but I'll take a different approach and won't pretend my opinions are facts and identify some fallacies:
1) It is absolutely untrue that Simmons has real influence on the offense. Bryce Neal has total control of the offense and makes the decisions with Torina having veto power of course which she apparently rarely exercises. Simmons helps coach the slappers, but there are not many slappers in the lineup save for Hodge & Daniel, and Daniel. Leading up to the South Carolina series (and through the first game) Neal seems to have had a positive influence on the offense. And save for his odd affection for Maddox McKee who is clearly outmatched and not a good offensive player and the quick trigger on pulling one or two players from the line up, his decision making seems to have been relatively solid too. The approach to the offense is similar to the pitching approach--they refuse to leverage talent sometimes (Savanna Bedell is a case in point)
2) Torina is a good coach--there I said it. She knows what she's doing but she has her flaws just like all other coaches do. The question is if her flaws are fatal flaws or not.
3) LSU has as talented of a roster or more talented than most SEC teams without a doubt. Don't know how one can take that view on a Top 10 Utilizing that talent properly is the open question. But Coach Torina has her way just as other coaches have their ways. Torina likes to ride what she believes are her horses in the circle and they don't like playing younger players, both of which are approaches that are contrary to essentially every other Top 25 team in the country but the team has faired well with her approaches thus far. But to one posters' point, a lot of the record was built on the backs of lesser teams. However, we shouldn't forget they have a UCLA win under their belts and 2 SEC series wins under their belts prior to this South Carolina series.
4) Berzon is one of the best pitchers in NCAA softball period. Is she Canady or Pickens or maybe Ball--no, she isn't but she is closer to that group than 98% of the other pitches in Division 1 softball. I personally would consider that elite and all american worthy. Some would argue she is overused and I wouldn't argue back most times. I also heard she pitched last weekend while nicked up a bit, yet she still gave it her all. I just can't cosign on another view of a pitcher who has been so good against some of the best teams in the country---the UCLA win was Berzon and the two SEC series wins were led by her arm.
5) Heavener has a lot of growing to do but will be one of the elite pitchers in softball as she matures. Right now she has to learn to navigate lineups with elite hitters and has to continue to build on improving her control.
Not sure if Berzon starting the first game on Sunday was a bad call by Torina or not. Turned out that way but if Berzon shut them down she may have been praised for knowing they were preparing for Heavener. Could be plenty of reasons she went that route and it's easy to Monday Morning QB the call. Propensity to leave the arms in is another matter, but I get the feeling it is her lack of confidence in the rest of the pitchers which is sad.
Lots more to say but figure I'd jump in a little with some initial thoughts........
1) It is absolutely untrue that Simmons has real influence on the offense. Bryce Neal has total control of the offense and makes the decisions with Torina having veto power of course which she apparently rarely exercises. Simmons helps coach the slappers, but there are not many slappers in the lineup save for Hodge & Daniel, and Daniel. Leading up to the South Carolina series (and through the first game) Neal seems to have had a positive influence on the offense. And save for his odd affection for Maddox McKee who is clearly outmatched and not a good offensive player and the quick trigger on pulling one or two players from the line up, his decision making seems to have been relatively solid too. The approach to the offense is similar to the pitching approach--they refuse to leverage talent sometimes (Savanna Bedell is a case in point)
2) Torina is a good coach--there I said it. She knows what she's doing but she has her flaws just like all other coaches do. The question is if her flaws are fatal flaws or not.
3) LSU has as talented of a roster or more talented than most SEC teams without a doubt. Don't know how one can take that view on a Top 10 Utilizing that talent properly is the open question. But Coach Torina has her way just as other coaches have their ways. Torina likes to ride what she believes are her horses in the circle and they don't like playing younger players, both of which are approaches that are contrary to essentially every other Top 25 team in the country but the team has faired well with her approaches thus far. But to one posters' point, a lot of the record was built on the backs of lesser teams. However, we shouldn't forget they have a UCLA win under their belts and 2 SEC series wins under their belts prior to this South Carolina series.
4) Berzon is one of the best pitchers in NCAA softball period. Is she Canady or Pickens or maybe Ball--no, she isn't but she is closer to that group than 98% of the other pitches in Division 1 softball. I personally would consider that elite and all american worthy. Some would argue she is overused and I wouldn't argue back most times. I also heard she pitched last weekend while nicked up a bit, yet she still gave it her all. I just can't cosign on another view of a pitcher who has been so good against some of the best teams in the country---the UCLA win was Berzon and the two SEC series wins were led by her arm.
5) Heavener has a lot of growing to do but will be one of the elite pitchers in softball as she matures. Right now she has to learn to navigate lineups with elite hitters and has to continue to build on improving her control.
Not sure if Berzon starting the first game on Sunday was a bad call by Torina or not. Turned out that way but if Berzon shut them down she may have been praised for knowing they were preparing for Heavener. Could be plenty of reasons she went that route and it's easy to Monday Morning QB the call. Propensity to leave the arms in is another matter, but I get the feeling it is her lack of confidence in the rest of the pitchers which is sad.
Lots more to say but figure I'd jump in a little with some initial thoughts........
Posted on 4/1/25 at 6:44 pm to TigerAlum4Life
AND LIKE CLOCK WORK: Heavener pitches and no Clopton or Vallejo or Cassanova. Mid weeks are the time to test your depth one would think. Maybe the thought is her a lead and then bring one of them in???
AND continuously baffling is the odd affection for McKee!! Insane that she’s starting even with the Daniel kid having an off series offensively. She’s still hitting .360 and McKee .220 (and a bad looking .220 too).
AND continuously baffling is the odd affection for McKee!! Insane that she’s starting even with the Daniel kid having an off series offensively. She’s still hitting .360 and McKee .220 (and a bad looking .220 too).
Posted on 4/1/25 at 7:13 pm to TigerAlum4Life
You dead wrong, I know from a starting players Dad that Simmons tells the slappers what to do.. that’s not full control and Berzon is a front runner not an elite pitcher. LSU needs a pitching coach plain and simple.. Slappers are Hodge (sometimes) Daniel, Coffey..As far as McKee, Daniel was awful last series letting balls go right down the middle with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs….inexcusable
This post was edited on 4/1/25 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 4/1/25 at 7:26 pm to Casualobserver1985
Did I not say “except” for the clappers (2 of them)?? My info also from two players parents.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 7:28 pm to Casualobserver1985
McKee .220. Daniel .360. I’ll let you die on that sword. But I actually agree with you on that point. BUT you also have talent on the bench.
Call Berzon what you want but I’d take her over just about every arm in D1 except maybe 4-5. That’s good company.
Call Berzon what you want but I’d take her over just about every arm in D1 except maybe 4-5. That’s good company.
This post was edited on 4/1/25 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 4/1/25 at 7:36 pm to TigerAlum4Life
I call her good until it counts then she folds..I agree on McKee but there has to be consequences for poor play
This post was edited on 4/1/25 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 4/1/25 at 7:43 pm to TigerAlum4Life
I’m gonna give u an example 2 on in last inning vs SC and Coffey slapping instead of trying to hit it out which she is capable..I assure a real hitting coach ain’t telling her to slap… Simmons shouldn’t be involved with hitting at all none zero…. Stay with baserunning which we are horrific at
Posted on 4/1/25 at 7:56 pm to Casualobserver1985
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I call her good until it counts then she folds..I agree on McKee but there has to be consequences for poor play
I hear ya Casual. I can see that argument to an extent but just see her a little differently.
Agree as well on consequences for Daniel “sustained” performance—not a bad at bat or game or series. But yes she’s struggled the last two series. McKee though looks even worse. So yes I agree—pull Daniel but go to your bench instead. Try the talented freshman out or Manning even if you don’t like freshmen. But yes I take your points.
But not in the offense. Simmons has little influence. Doesn’t even coach swing away—Neal does.
Glad Edwards woke up and got the team back on track.
This post was edited on 4/2/25 at 11:57 am
Posted on 4/1/25 at 8:02 pm to TigerAlum4Life
Again she dictates if the slappers hit or slap… that’s all I’m saying if my source is correct…To my point Coffey bunted up by a bunch with a runner on 2nd… no real hitting coach would call that or he isn’t any good either
This post was edited on 4/1/25 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 4/1/25 at 9:17 pm to TigerAlum4Life
NM
This post was edited on 4/2/25 at 9:23 am
Posted on 4/2/25 at 8:43 am to TigerAlum4Life
if you have been watching the games AT ALL, she has actually been hitting very well, hitting the ball right to people. Yes I can agree that Daniel should have started, but give her some grace. I bet she beats herself up about not playing her best, because she is used to having success being a highly sought after recruit out of high school. You also do not know what goes on at practice. She is actually a very sweet girl and always signs my daughters things and is always so nice to her. It was her first career homerun. She obviously was fake crying because she was so excited. Tears of JOY. Now frick off and say shite about someone who is on the same level as you. She is playing softball at LSU. The 5th ranked team in the country.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 8:48 am to TigerAlum4Life
You are a bitch! If you hate them so much, stop watching! I bet the girls beat themselves up when they don’t do well and you make it even worse. Mckee, Daniel, Walker, and more have posted on Instagram struggling with mental health and how they need Jesus in their life. So give them some grace. It is not easy for them.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 9:25 am to Tigergirl124
Agree, I don’t like like the personal attacks, keep it to performance and leave the rest out of it. Not sure why someone has so much hate for single person!!
Posted on 4/2/25 at 9:28 am to TigerAlum4Life
Berzon was given the lead in the 7th vs SC for the series win…she choked..can’t spin it any other way
Posted on 4/2/25 at 9:48 am to Casualobserver1985
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Agree, I don’t like like the personal attacks, keep it to performance and leave the rest out of it. Not sure why someone has so much hate for single person!!
Absolutely agree with that too. Any discussions should be performance based. Nothing meant as a personal comment, only with respect to performance.
This post was edited on 4/2/25 at 9:51 am
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:03 am to Tigergirl124
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She obviously was fake crying because she was so excited. Tears of JOY. Now frick off and say shite about someone who is on the same level as you. She is playing softball at LSU. The 5th ranked team in the country.
First, I've seen every game they have played and I have attended more than half of them so I can attest to my comments. Not sure what you've watched (or maybe your standard for hitting well) but no McKee has not been hitting well and that is hardly debatable. HOWEVER, I will never resort to personal comments on these young ladies and know all too well what they go through, and I'm certain she's a sweet kid. Heard good things about most of the kids on that roster. It will always come off negatively when critiquing players--and it's tough when it is young ladies in college. There are REAL vitriolic comments on this board (actually in this chain if you read through)--this wasn't one of them. I'm certain she was ecstatic about the HR, and the comment wasn't to deride her emotions but to point out the performance aspect of them given the situation. Nothing personal intended at all. All of those girls on that team spend a ton of time after games signing autographs and are very accommodating to the kids there cheering them on.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 11:27 am to TigerAlum4Life
Have you ever played softball? If you think it’s just about people getting hits you are wrong! I went to many scrimmages and McKee was the hottest hitter at most of them. Sometimes these girls have slumps and they do not need people behind keyboards talking shite about them as if they don’t already beat themselves up. If you are a true fan of LSU softball, you should be a fan of hers, Daniel’s, walkers, laneauxs, all of them. I’m just talking about mckee because I have a daughter that struggles sometimes too and that’s her favorite player. So you coming on here and criticizing her that she “shouldn’t be playing” when she was 2 for 4 last night instead of saying she had a good game is nonsense. Maybe they wanted to play her to get her confidence back up so she can get some opportunities in SEC play. I don’t think that she is the everyday starter at second base in the snap of a finger like that. But she is a good player. Now rethink what you say about these girls. Because if you were a true fan (guessing you are because you said you go to a lot of games) you will be happy for them when they are successful.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 11:29 am to TigerAlum4Life
I also follow LSU baseball and know she is dating Guidry. He has been hurt and maybe that is somehow taking a toll on her as well. Just be happy for them and be a good fan.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 11:46 am to Tigergirl124
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I also follow LSU baseball and know she is dating Guidry. He has been hurt and maybe that is somehow taking a toll on her as well. Just be happy for them and be a good fan.
Well I wish her and the team well. I agree she seems like a great kid. My comments are only about what the team could do to maximize success. Never meant to negatively impact the young ladies. I get your points Tigergirl and agree. Sorry if taken wrong.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 12:10 pm to TigerAlum4Life
Missing all the fun on this board! LoL. I had to watch the McNeese game on replay--vacation with the family. Just watched it on yesterday and I can see why all the chatter. It even got a little rough on the LSU Softball social media page, I see!!! Actually think that's a little inappropriate to be so candid on the social media page, but that's just me. A lot of families follow those pages and they don't need to hear the banter of amateur pundits on their kids. Again, that's just me. As opposed to THIS forum page which is specifically for the purpose of chatter.
Tigergirl, I can tell you from for sure that TigerAlum is NOT the kind of person who would do personal attacks on these players. Met the guy and he is as standup as they come. I hate seeing the mean exchanges even on forums like this especially when they aren't warranted. Looks like a misunderstanding to me. Both of you seem like avid supporters of the team and girls.
McNeese game was a much tougher game than I expected! I agree if you take away the 2 errors by the outfielder for McNeese and leave that first pitcher in LSU had a good chance to have been upset on Tuesday!! Might be just one of those days or might be an indication of the season's trajectory. Let's hope the former.
I also agree that Heavener shouldn't have had to throw that mid-week game. But I did watch a Georgia game last night where the coach outwardly stated how important it was to give his top pitchers rest and they were upset by Mercer. Also don't think Maddox Mckee or Sierra Daniel should have started that game. LSU has to start using some of their bench talent to see what they have. Could be the difference between hosting a Super or not or making it to OKC or not. Berzon and Heavener have more mileage than most aces in the SEC up to this point for sure.
I think they will handle Alabama well this weekend though before they start the tough stretch in Texas.
Tigergirl, I can tell you from for sure that TigerAlum is NOT the kind of person who would do personal attacks on these players. Met the guy and he is as standup as they come. I hate seeing the mean exchanges even on forums like this especially when they aren't warranted. Looks like a misunderstanding to me. Both of you seem like avid supporters of the team and girls.
McNeese game was a much tougher game than I expected! I agree if you take away the 2 errors by the outfielder for McNeese and leave that first pitcher in LSU had a good chance to have been upset on Tuesday!! Might be just one of those days or might be an indication of the season's trajectory. Let's hope the former.
I also agree that Heavener shouldn't have had to throw that mid-week game. But I did watch a Georgia game last night where the coach outwardly stated how important it was to give his top pitchers rest and they were upset by Mercer. Also don't think Maddox Mckee or Sierra Daniel should have started that game. LSU has to start using some of their bench talent to see what they have. Could be the difference between hosting a Super or not or making it to OKC or not. Berzon and Heavener have more mileage than most aces in the SEC up to this point for sure.
I think they will handle Alabama well this weekend though before they start the tough stretch in Texas.
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