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re: Best coach ever at LSU ?
Posted on 12/19/08 at 1:37 pm to PiscesTiger
Posted on 12/19/08 at 1:37 pm to PiscesTiger
quote:
1. Skip
2. Saban
3. Anrsparger
/thread
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Posted on 12/19/08 at 1:37 pm to PiscesTiger
quote:
PiscesTiger
i put pat henry above saban
Posted on 12/19/08 at 1:38 pm to LSUfan4444
I put football above track...but yeah, Henry was damn strong.
Posted on 12/19/08 at 1:39 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
Charles McClendon
Most consistent? Perhaps. But he could never achieve above expectations, and occasionally he would achieve below them. A great coach at LSU would have a better record against Bryant, even considering how great Bryant and his Alabama teams were.
Posted on 12/19/08 at 1:39 pm to PiscesTiger
quote:
I put football above track...but yeah, Henry was damn strong.
well, if we are weighing sports with their importance to the school than saban > skip
if not, henry > saban
Posted on 12/19/08 at 1:40 pm to PiscesTiger
Les Miles. Critical 4th down decisions, fake field goal, fake punt decisions. Some call it balsy, but it's happened so much that I say they are well executed and timed perfectly! We would not have not been national champs last year without those gutsy calls.
Posted on 12/19/08 at 1:41 pm to LSUfan4444
How about this formula:
number of campionships x attendence at event + tv appearances = rating as a coach.
number of campionships x attendence at event + tv appearances = rating as a coach.
Posted on 12/19/08 at 1:49 pm to Tigercat
quote:
Charles McClendon
Most consistent? Perhaps. But he could never achieve above expectations, and occasionally he would achieve below them. A great coach at LSU would have a better record against Bryant, even considering how great Bryant and his Alabama teams were.
I have to agree with you. I liked Cholly Mac, thought he was a great man and a good coach, but I don't rank him as great. Dietzel pulled the LSU football program off the bottom and much like someone more recently left for his "dream job" with the program well stocked to make another run at a national championship.
Cholly Mac couldn't win consistently against any of the really top tier programs. He was 2-14 against BAMA, 1-3-1 against Tennessee, 0-2 against UGA (he barely had winning records against Ole Miss - program in decline during most of his tenure, and Florida - program not yet achieving.
He was a good coach, LSU was fortunate to have him, but can't really say he was anywhere near the best ever.
Posted on 12/19/08 at 1:49 pm to BabyTac
nice example BabyTac !
Posted on 12/19/08 at 1:57 pm to Raymanz
Daddy Dale is the winner for getting the most out of his team. Just look at the Final Four team.
Of course, he is also the winner for getting the least out of his team when he actually has talent.
Of course, he is also the winner for getting the least out of his team when he actually has talent.
Posted on 12/19/08 at 2:00 pm to BhamTigah
quote:
Daddy Dale is the winner for getting the most out of his team. Just look at the Final Four team.
I have to give Brady a little credit on that front too, LSU had some of the worst talent in the SEC in the very early Brady years, but they would give almost everyone a good fight.
Posted on 12/19/08 at 2:01 pm to LSUfan4444
quote:
hal hunter
the only undefeated coach in LSU history, he never lost a game while being the head coach LSU.....EVER!
I don't think this is true, I believe we have a few other coaches that are undefeated, but I could be wrong. But calling someone that was undefeated when they coached in one game the best coach ever.
BTW: I know this was a joke. Just had to reply.
Dana Bible back in 1916 went undefeated in 3 games with 1 win and 2 ties no losses.
Bo Rein was head coach and never had a loss, granted he also never had any wins. Sad loss for LSU.
This post was edited on 12/19/08 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 12/19/08 at 2:03 pm to Raymanz
1. Pat Henry (and the rest aren't even close)
.....
2. Skip Bertman
3. Harry Rabenhorst (successful in multiple sports)
4. Bernie Moore (success in multiple sports)
5. Nick Saban / Les Miles (both are tied)
6. Paul Dietzel
7. Dale Brown
.....
2. Skip Bertman
3. Harry Rabenhorst (successful in multiple sports)
4. Bernie Moore (success in multiple sports)
5. Nick Saban / Les Miles (both are tied)
6. Paul Dietzel
7. Dale Brown
This post was edited on 12/19/08 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 12/19/08 at 2:11 pm to LSUfan4444
quote:
2. Saban 3. Anrsparger
you have got to be kidding....
they could not shine Dale Brown's or Skip Bertman's shoes.....
Dale and Skip
put LSU and their sports on the map.
LSU football was already known.
not even a close one.
A lot of other good coaches have done that in second tier sports.
This post was edited on 12/19/08 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 12/19/08 at 2:13 pm to LSUfan4444
1) Skip Bertman
2) Pat Henry
3) Nick Saban
4) Bernie Moore
5) Sue Gunter
2) Pat Henry
3) Nick Saban
4) Bernie Moore
5) Sue Gunter
Posted on 12/19/08 at 2:16 pm to blueridgeTiger
quote:
Cholly Mac couldn't win consistently against any of the really top tier programs. He was 2-14 against BAMA, 1-3-1 against Tennessee, 0-2 against UGA (he barely had winning records against Ole Miss - program in decline during most of his tenure, and Florida - program not yet achieving.
Sorry, have to call bullshite on this whole paragraph. LSU over forever is 23-44-5 against Bama. However, Bama certainly peaked under Bear Bryant. Bryant coached Bama for Mac's entire tenure. Bryant only lost three or more games three times during that run. While Mac was at LSU, Bama had an undefeated season, and nine 1 loss seasons. So bullshite on that one, should have beat Bear, nobody beat the Bear consistently.
Tennessee, LSU is 7-20-3, so Mac did as well as the program, but didn't exceed our usual rate against Tennessee, so bullshite. So he lost 2 games to UGA - is that worse than losing 1 game to UAB? Florida had a big surge there for a while. Ever hear of a kid named Steve Spurrier, Heisman Trophy winner? And I can tell you, that even when Mac's teams dipped a little in the mid late 70s, we still routinely kicked Florida's arse.
And Ole Miss, Mac had to coach against them with Johnny Vaught - Ole Miss' Bear Bryant (albeit at the end) AND freakin' Archie Manning, the Rebel of Rebels.
quote:
Dietzel pulled the LSU football program off the bottom and much like someone more recently left for his "dream job" with the program well stocked to make another run at a national championship.
Mac did as much for LSU as Dietzel did when Dietzel was the head coach.
Here's a funny story: 6,3,6,0,7,7,0,18,6,0 & 0
That's how many points Mac's defense gave up in the 1958 season. Don't get me wrong, when Dietzel took over, LSU was bad, but Mac's defense was better than Dietzel's offense by 1958.
And Mac never ran off to chase some damn fool dream. He had his dream job: LSU.
Posted on 12/19/08 at 2:18 pm to rpg37
Tier One
These people MADE their sport and LSU
1) Skip Bertman Baseball
2) Pat Henry Track
3) Dale Brown Men's B Ball
4) Bernie Moore Track
5) Sue Gunter Women's B Ball
Nick Saban brought attention to LSU but LSU Football was already known (even if it had gone thru a rough period)
Charlie Mac gave LSU more recognition than Saban...
even you young ones want to only give credit to what's new.
These people MADE their sport and LSU
1) Skip Bertman Baseball
2) Pat Henry Track
3) Dale Brown Men's B Ball
4) Bernie Moore Track
5) Sue Gunter Women's B Ball
Nick Saban brought attention to LSU but LSU Football was already known (even if it had gone thru a rough period)
Charlie Mac gave LSU more recognition than Saban...
even you young ones want to only give credit to what's new.
This post was edited on 12/19/08 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 12/19/08 at 2:21 pm to Boomshockalocka
Henry. Not a big fan of track but just count the championships. 
Posted on 12/19/08 at 2:22 pm to rbdallas
1.) Skip - Has as many NC as some programs over the entirety of thier existence. Led to changes in the game to take the gorilla out of the ball game. Took over a program that was in really dire straits and made it a true powerhouse that lasted through two preceeding coaches.
2.) Pat Henry - LSU had one NC in track before Henry got here and had a few SEC championships. The program was in a slump when Pat was hired and he helped turn the tide. His success is hard to argue against, however the nod goes to Bertman because of his shere dominance in a weaker program at LSU.
3.) Dietzel - 1st NC at LSU on a shorthanded team. Shorthanded as far as numbers, not talent and was also going against stiff competition as well.
IMO
2.) Pat Henry - LSU had one NC in track before Henry got here and had a few SEC championships. The program was in a slump when Pat was hired and he helped turn the tide. His success is hard to argue against, however the nod goes to Bertman because of his shere dominance in a weaker program at LSU.
3.) Dietzel - 1st NC at LSU on a shorthanded team. Shorthanded as far as numbers, not talent and was also going against stiff competition as well.
IMO
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