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re: Been a Lee fan but props to Jefferson and Miles
Posted on 11/26/11 at 8:09 am to Deathrider
Posted on 11/26/11 at 8:09 am to Deathrider
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I never really cared about fair. I thought JL gave the Tigers the best chance to win
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I like both of them equally as Tigers/players. I thought JL brought a spark to the offense this year that we hadn't had since '07.
JJ had a rough start, although field position played a part of that. Arkansas' TD ironically allowed the field to get swapped back in LSU's favor.
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Posted on 11/26/11 at 8:10 am to rbdallas
rbdallas...my sentiments exactly. Lee was not the same quarterback once Jefferson was allowed back on the team. He knew his playing days were short.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 8:13 am to Common sence
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Ilost a little respect for Les when he did not put Lee in a little bit sooner, after all Lee has done and went thru. I have always been a Les guy not just after we beat Bama last year like 95% of LSU fans, but iwas really disappointed in Les yesterday. Lee should have played at least 3 possesions yesterday.
that's pretty much what I have been saying..
in yesterday's game and in W Ky as well.
many here want to change the view point to say we are attacking JJ, etc..that's crap.
IMO, no one in this current team, has had to put up with as much crap as Lee, some fair recognition should have been given.
it is not about whether they like each other, or who is better, or team results..
there were many opportunities where Miles could have, by his actions recognized Lee and he chose not to do so.
This post was edited on 11/26/11 at 8:17 am
Posted on 11/26/11 at 8:14 am to rbdallas
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I can not agree on your PART 2. I do not see them at odds which each other either,
I see preferential treatment by Miles to one.
...that's my perception.
I can see how someone could draw that conclusion, but you could draw that conclusion about any head coach at any level. This isn't always necessarily a bad thing so long as the preference is for someone that is actually competent at the position.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 8:14 am to rbdallas
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Ilost a little respect for Les when he did not put Lee in a little bit sooner, after all Lee has done and went thru. I have always been a Les guy not just after we beat Bama last year like 95% of LSU fans, but iwas really disappointed in Les yesterday. Lee should have played at least 3 possesions yesterday.
BOO frickING WHOO!
Posted on 11/26/11 at 8:17 am to rbdallas
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I see preferential treatment by Miles to one.
I agee. He showed preferential treatment to the player that he, the OC and QB coach felt gave the team the best chance to win.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 8:18 am to rbdallas
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I can not agree on your PART 2. I do not see them at odds which each other either,
I see preferential treatment by Miles to one.
...that's my perception.
Just because you perceive something a particular way does not mean it is valid or even worthy of mention.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 8:18 am to rbdallas
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I can not agree on your PART 2. I do not see them at odds which each other either,
I see preferential treatment by Miles to one.
Did you watch the game yesterday objectively, or did you just wait for Lee to get in?
JJ showed why he is the starter. He made the passes as well as Lee could. He was sharp. He also was a nightmare to sack- sure, they got him a couple of times, but at least twice he was able to throw the ball away with people hanging on him, sure sacks for anyone else playing football right now. He stood in and took big hits while delivering the ball, instead of "throwing off his back foot", and if you watch the replays, he completed those passes- (3rd quarter, there were 2 back to back plays). He also was extremely effective running the option, and scored a long TD on the ground.
All of that ASIDE, Miles kept JJ in the game as long as Petrino kept blitzing. Petrino was being a bitch, and Miles probably didn't want to send Lee in to hand the ball off and go 3 and out with half the quarter left.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 8:21 am to Coon
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I can see how someone could draw that conclusion, but you could draw that conclusion about any head coach at any level. This isn't always necessarily a bad thing so long as the preference is for someone that is actually competent at the position.
I agree, but you must admit, that there came a time where the game was at hand that even if you think JJ is better, that JLs presence would not have hurt the game.
Frankly, I was totally baffled by Miles not using WK, maybe Ole Miss to give Mett some practice a TRUE game speed.
I hate to see him start next season "cold turkey"
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Did you watch the game yesterday objectively, or did you just wait for Lee to get in?
I did and had no problem with JJ playing, but you must admit that JL could have safely entered the game prior to the 2-3 min mark.
This post was edited on 11/26/11 at 8:23 am
Posted on 11/26/11 at 8:25 am to rbdallas
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All of that ASIDE, Miles kept JJ in the game as long as Petrino kept blitzing. Petrino was being a bitch, and Miles probably didn't want to send Lee in to hand the ball off and go 3 and out with half the quarter left.
you are assuming the JL could not handle it...maybe / maybe not.
at the 5 min mark, what was the score ?
..then that's all that JL was asked to do with 2-3 min left anyway.
the fact that this was the last game a TS played a bigger part with me.
This post was edited on 11/26/11 at 8:26 am
Posted on 11/26/11 at 8:35 am to rbdallas
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I agree, but you must admit, that there came a time where the game was at hand that even if you think JJ is better, that JLs presence would not have hurt the game.
Maybe. Maybe not. Both have improved under the new system. JJ needed some work in actual game situations, which came in handy against Bama when Miles made the call the bench JL. He's progressively improved since the Bama game and led a decimating offense against the #3 team in the nation. Now both JJ and JL can say they were winning QB's against different #3 teams (Oregon for JL and Arky for JJ). That's not a bad resume for either one.
What is obvious is that the offense has improved dramatically across the board. There's been better offensive line play, which has given more opportunities for big plays on offense. The offensive line doesn't get enough love.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 8:39 am to rbdallas
quote:Here's my guess on the matter-
All of that ASIDE, Miles kept JJ in the game as long as Petrino kept blitzing. Petrino was being a bitch, and Miles probably didn't want to send Lee in to hand the ball off and go 3 and out with half the quarter left.
you are assuming the JL could not handle it...maybe / maybe not.
at the 5 min mark, what was the score ?
..then that's all that JL was asked to do with 2-3 min left anyway.
the fact that this was the last game a TS played a bigger part with me.
Arkansas, for all our domination yesterday, has a dangerous offense, does everyone agree? And Petrino was still bringing the heat. Go review Les' career with OSU- you will find a game where he lost to Texas. OSU finished with 35 in that game. From what I remember, OSU was up something like 35-3 in that game.
Was Arkansas gonna come back with 5 mins left? Well, they already had 1 TD on defense yesterday; their punt returner has, what, 3 TDs on the year, and they have the top offense in the conference. And Petrino was still coaching to make a play. If anyone in college football could rally, Arkansas is that team.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 8:39 am to Common sence
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Ilost a little respect for Les when he did not put Lee in a little bit sooner, after all Lee has done and went thru. I have always been a Les guy not just after we beat Bama last year like 95% of LSU fans, but iwas really disappointed in Les yesterday. Lee should have played at least 3 possesions yesterday.
I agree 100%!!
Posted on 11/26/11 at 8:41 am to Deathrider
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What is obvious is that the offense has improved dramatically across the board. There's been better offensive line play, which has given more opportunities for big plays on offense. The offensive line doesn't get enough love.
I am not sure as TRUE OFFENSE being improved that much directly,
but the Off and Def Lines have certainly made our offense in general look better.
The D line is preventing the other QBs from having time to execute.
The O line is opening holes for our RBs.
I see the lines as the most improved.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 8:42 am to Scoob
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OSU was up something like 35-3 in that game.
remember, OSU does not have a defense either.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 8:44 am to Scoob
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Arkansas, for all our domination yesterday, has a dangerous offense, does everyone agree? And Petrino was still bringing the heat.
LSU was bringing the heat too in case you hadn't noticed. Arkansas does have a dangerous offense, but LSU's offense is much more dangerous. Not only is LSU's offense more dangerous, but they're more dangerous on special teams and defense. This really doesn't fit into the whole starter debate, but the point needed to be made.
On the issue of the starter, if the incident hadn't happened before the season began, there would be no QB controversy among the fans right now. I think JJ has shown he can more than handle an offense against top ranked teams. JL proved that he could do that too. It's a testament to the system.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 8:45 am to Coon
You know, I started this thread to give props to both players and the fact that they have shared some glory in a fantastic season.
Apparently it was a mistake because it's such an emotional subject.
JJ is the starter. He played well. We won.
Both guys deserve some love.
Both guys will feel like shite if the team fails.
No one can question Les' as a stand up guy. He is a class dude. He's not a douchebag like Petrino, Saban, Paterno or Urban Cryer.
Apparently it was a mistake because it's such an emotional subject.
JJ is the starter. He played well. We won.
Both guys deserve some love.
Both guys will feel like shite if the team fails.
No one can question Les' as a stand up guy. He is a class dude. He's not a douchebag like Petrino, Saban, Paterno or Urban Cryer.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 8:50 am to JohnnyU
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You know, I started this thread to give props to both players and the fact that they have shared some glory in a fantastic season.
Apparently it was a mistake because it's such an emotional subject.
Unfortunately, that is the case. I'll go down as a JL supporter, but I'm a JJ supporter too. Both have shown they can perform well under the new system. It only makes me feel much better about next season with the QB play.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 8:53 am to Deathrider
The Jim Mora video should be a "must view" for all the crowd who thinks Lee should have played more.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 9:00 am to Deathrider
quote:Deathrider, I was responding to why Les didn't bring Lee in earlier.
Arkansas, for all our domination yesterday, has a dangerous offense, does everyone agree? And Petrino was still bringing the heat.
LSU was bringing the heat too in case you hadn't noticed. Arkansas does have a dangerous offense, but LSU's offense is much more dangerous. Not only is LSU's offense more dangerous, but they're more dangerous on special teams and defense. This really doesn't fit into the whole starter debate, but the point needed to be made.
On the issue of the starter, if the incident hadn't happened before the season began, there would be no QB controversy among the fans right now. I think JJ has shown he can more than handle an offense against top ranked teams. JL proved that he could do that too. It's a testament to the system.
Arkansas was nowhere as good as us in any phase of the game- true. Again though, if anyone has the players and scheme to make a fast comeback, it is Arkansas; and Les had it happen at least once before, so I'd say that means he'll always be aware it can happen. He wasn't in the mood to play with fire yesterday.
Remember, we got 3 TDs in less than that amount of time in the 1st half, right?
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