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re: BCS "fix" question - the "+1"

Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:50 am to
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:50 am to
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So having Okie St play Bama in a bowl and then crunching the numbers is not better than what is happening now ?


There would be no need to double crunch in your scenario. Besides, you have to consider all scenarios. You still have some "selection process" deciding on who will advance.
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:51 am to
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It's about taking 2-4 existing bowl games and then adding 1 for all the marbles. You aren't adding 2 extra games you are just adding 1 extra game to the existing games.

Then that doesn't sound like a +1. A +1 is a 3 team playoff where the top seed gets a bye.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:51 am to
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You don't happen to have a link do you? I don't doubt MM has some idea where there is a bye in a +1, I just haven't seen/heard of it.
I can't link live TV, yet.
Posted by Uncle Stu
#AlbinoLivesMatter
Member since Aug 2004
33846 posts
Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:52 am to
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We already beat three of those teams.

So instead of 1 rematch you want TWO?

Insanity!

what the hell are you talking about? Are you so myopic you cant see past the 2011 season? This isnt about how we can revamp the system so LSU has the easiest path to the NC game every fricking year.

-The Bowls arent going away
-These are kids in college, they cant play into the middle of the spring semester

the best option is to meet in the middle - a +1 system

.....or we go back to the way it was 20 years ago
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
35748 posts
Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:52 am to
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A +1 is a 3 team playoff where the top seed gets a bye.


News to me.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
35748 posts
Posted on 12/8/11 at 9:59 am to
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Many critics of the Bowl Championship Series favor a larger championship tournament with eight to sixteen teams, similar to that administered by the NCAA for its Division I Football Championship Subdivision (FCS), Division II, and Division III football championships. Others favor adopting the incremental step of adding a single post-bowl championship game between the winners of two BCS games among the top four ranked teams in the BCS standings, the so-called "plus one" option. The SEC and ACC conferences have recently pushed for some form of playoff system. On June 24, 2009, the BCS presidential oversight committee rejected the Mountain West Conference's proposed eight-team playoff plan


This is the only +1 idea I've heard of.
Posted by Broham
Member since Feb 2005
18997 posts
Posted on 12/8/11 at 10:00 am to
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That's not a +1. That's a +2, or in other words, a 4 team playoff.

You're wrong
Posted by vl100butch
Ridgeland, MS
Member since Sep 2005
36667 posts
Posted on 12/8/11 at 10:01 am to
y'all realize the only reason we aren't already doing is is because of Jim Delaney (big 1g commissioner), his counterpart in the Pac 12, and the Rose Bowl (that doesn't want to become more irrelevant than they already are)...

let me make a modest proposal for how this could look...bringing the Cotton Bowl into the mix as a 5th BCS bowl....

the playoff games rotate between the five locations, so basically every two years one of the traditional bowls will host a playoff game OR the national championship game a week after the traditinal bowl....

the national championship game would take place at one of the locations NOT having a playoff game

for example: if the Rose and Orange are hosting playoff games, the Sugar, Fiesta, or Cotton location would get the NCG.....
Posted by Broham
Member since Feb 2005
18997 posts
Posted on 12/8/11 at 10:02 am to
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Mark May has talked about it since the day all the undefeateds lost. He says LSU sits.

Herbstreit talks about it all the time on Sirius/XM and he's much more knowledgeable than Mark May. It's 1 vs. 4 and 2 vs. 3.
Posted by !Tiger
Member since Dec 2011
123 posts
Posted on 12/8/11 at 10:04 am to
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between the winners of two BCS games among the top four ranked teams in the BCS standings


AKA, playoff!
Posted by Lithium
Member since Dec 2004
63986 posts
Posted on 12/8/11 at 10:05 am to
I think 2 SEC schools in the NCG will move it to a +1
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
35748 posts
Posted on 12/8/11 at 10:05 am to
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AKA, playoff!


And? Seriously, link me something to other than this thread that describes a +1 any other way.
Posted by Uncle Stu
#AlbinoLivesMatter
Member since Aug 2004
33846 posts
Posted on 12/8/11 at 10:06 am to
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.bringing the Cotton Bowl into the mix

weren't they on the verge of doing this already?

It makes all the sense in the world to bring it in regardless of how it shakes out....The only real dilemma is what conference would now have automatic ties to the Fiesta.

I guess now that the Big East has seen fit to stretch their footprint from coast to coast, they could have it
Posted by Broham
Member since Feb 2005
18997 posts
Posted on 12/8/11 at 10:06 am to
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Seriously, link me something to other than this thread that describes a +1 any other way.

They can't, because we're right.
Posted by Holden Caulfield
Hanging with J.D.
Member since May 2008
8308 posts
Posted on 12/8/11 at 10:07 am to
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Exactly. This is what a +1 means. The 1v4 and 2v3 scenarios are a playoff. A +1 system is objective to the situation at hand, which means that if only 2 teams were undefeated, there would be no additional game, just the 1 championship game between the two.

No. When they talk about a plus one they're talking about a limited four team playoff utilizing the bowls as semifinal games. 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 followed by a plus one game between the winners.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86410 posts
Posted on 12/8/11 at 10:10 am to
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Herbstreit talks about it all the time on Sirius/XM and he's much more knowledgeable than Mark May. It's 1 vs. 4 and 2 vs. 3.
You're not following.

1. There is no absolute definition of "plus one".

2. There are various versions of what that even means.

3. Mark May, and many others, have teams sit if the situation calls for it.

4. Herby is describing a playoff, but if he wants to call it a plus one, let him.

5. By trying to be right, you come off as a massive douche.
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
21341 posts
Posted on 12/8/11 at 10:12 am to
Maybe a simple flex system that allows for one additional game every time, but under one of two different ways:

Scenario A: One Game Play Off
- 3 top teams
- #2 and #3 play the week following the conference championship games. The winner plays in the BCS Championship Game against #1.
- The loser would be guaranteed a spot in another BCS Bowl
- The game would be played at the stadium of the higher seed

Scenario B: +1 National Championship Game
- 4 top teams
- #1 versus #4 in one of the BCS bowls
- #2 versus #3 in one of the BCS Bowls
- Winners play in the BCS National Championship


The advantages of the flex system:
- It would allow for more possible scenarios
- It would still have the maximum number of games played for any given team to be just one more than under the current system
- It keeps the bowl system intact
- Even though it is flexible, it maintains a set date for the bowls and the National Championship Game, so that they can be planned in advance

Disadvantages:
- Would require a Selection Committee, which could cause additional controversy
- Would need to have some pre-established criteria on when Scenario A or Scenario B would be preferable, but still allow the selection committee to make the choice.
This post was edited on 12/8/11 at 10:17 am
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14912 posts
Posted on 12/8/11 at 10:18 am to
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You're wrong

Thanks for the clear and concise explanation.

quote:

This is the only +1 idea I've heard of.

Ok, we'll use that definition then. I'm still curious though what is the one game being added?
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
21227 posts
Posted on 12/8/11 at 10:18 am to
If applied to this season, with LSU being a conference champ. and the only undefeated team, it would seem like the fair thing would be for LSU to have a bye.... let the next two teams in line play to see who goes... (Bama/Ok. State)
Posted by Debaser
Houma
Member since Jan 2007
852 posts
Posted on 12/8/11 at 10:21 am to
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Wow.... Just Wow. Just read through this thread and the ignorance expressed in this thread is simply astounding even for the Rant!

First off nothing is decided as of yet officially so what situation is next year is not set. I would say the most likely outcome is a +1 but apparently many here haven't a clue what that even means.


That's exactly the point! Perfect! People say - "I want a playoff" or "we need a +1" without really thinking through the scenarios and the implications.

I am fine with how it is now. Period.
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